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Comment: Re:It's been nice knowing y'all (Score 1) 417

The equilibrium CO2 concentration also depends on the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, and as that increases, so does the acidity of the ocean.

'm sorry, but the above is a very basic result from chemistry - typically something taught in high school. It's also something you experience in everyday live - a warm coke will go flat faster, but you also need some way to get the sparkle into the coke (by exposing it to CO2 at a very high partial pressure). This is not magic, it's basic physics and chemistry.

Hmmm... CO2 concentrations in liquid, sure. But what does that have to do with PH? You indicate that it's self-evident, but it's not to me. Maybe you can explain that relationship in high-school sciencey language. There are actually 3 different ways to measure PH, one of which is specific to ocean chemistry (the PH Seawater Scale - sws).

I'm very hard trying to avoid ad-hominem.

No, it's not, actually. Especially in science (not the scientific community that is awash in politic, but the work of science it certainly is).

Above, you admit that you do not fully understand basic high-school level chemistry.

Nice try. See above.

What makes you think that you can understand graduate-level climate science papers?

I can't understand everything, certainly, but much of it is accessible to me. Much of it because I'm good at maths. And language.

Your Junk Science link discusses and mentions only one paper. It takes the results out of context and misrepresents the paper by conflating temperature-driven processes (including e.g. seasonal changes) with CO2 driven processes (which increase the base level the pH varies around. Junk Science also take results from one inland lake in Japan and extrapolates that to the worlds ocean - talk about unjustified extrapolation.

I think you are misreading it. They are using the data from the lake in Japan to demonstrate specific relationships. For 280,000 years. It's no more an extrapolation than "More CO2 increases the greenhouse effect." Physical properties are physical properties.

At your second link, Sustainable Oregon , I fail to find a single link to a peer-reviewed paper. There may well be one, but if so it's carefully hidden among links to so-called think tank publications, denier blogs, and self-published (as opposed to scientific) opinion pieces.

Most of that is a review of the ONE study on ocean acidification that keeps getting quoted. And those reviews are pretty damning to that study, IMHO.

Comment: Re:It's been nice knowing y'all (Score 1) 417

So, in your opinion the climate effects of sulfur and ash from mega volcanoes sufficiently active to cover a surface equivalent to Europe is directly equivalent to the passage of CO2 from 300ppm to 400 or even 500ppm. Care to justify what is clearly an enormous mistake?

From ad hominem to straw man, I guess. I never made any such claim - the topic is ocean acidification. I don't even know where you're getting any of this from - unless it's simply an extension of the "attack the messenger" argument that I have already ignored.

Comment: Re:It's been nice knowing y'all (Score 1) 417

More ad hominems to ignore.

Yes, all things being equal, warmer water holds less dissolved CO2, i.e. it becomes less acidic. But all things are not equal. The equilibrium CO2 concentration also depends on the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, and as that increases, so does the acidity of the ocean. And that is something we can actually observe, both in the lab and in nature.

You seem to be more familiar with this aspect of the science than I am. I have not looked into those claims although I've skimmed some of the arguments on both sides.

What I found interesting was the critique of the published numbers of PH readings. There are a lot of questions in the detail of what is being measured. Most of all, the most often-quoted studies that extrapolate changes BACKWARD - to the turn of the century - using trends from only 15 - 20 years of data. I haven't seen an explanation for this, but the EPA's website only shows readings from 1980 - 1985. They don't do the backward extrapolation, though.

It's a bad idea to take one's science from most blogs or propaganda outfits. Check Google Scholar for peer-reviewed scientific papers.

Google filters those. But peer-reviewed papers are what I look for as an ultimate source. That's the reason I posted the links above. They include many references to the peer-reviewed work.

Comment: Re:Strictly speaking... (Score 1) 417

Ph level is a sliding scale with acid on one side and alkaline on the other. If Ocean water is moves from alkaline to neutral to below 7 on the scale, which is what tehy are saying is/will happen, then it is becoming acidic. It is currently at an 8.1 out of a 14 point scale.

They are saying it, but is it true. The EPA's website only shows data from about 1985, at the earliest, but PH has been measured fairly accurately since the mid-19th century. And it doesn't match the extrapolated history.

Comment: Re:Strictly speaking... (Score 1) 417

They might do better to focus on issues like this. "You are killing the earth's food supply, including your own" probably goes farther with more people than "It will get a degree or two hotter over the next 100 years".

You're right - exaggeration works better. We call it "propaganda". Effective for making Americans afraid of terrorists, too, even though they are 10,000 times more likely to be killed by a hail storm.

Comment: Re:Lies, bullshit, and more lies ... (Score 1) 442

Why do you believe that this country was founded on free market principles? The concept didn't even exist at the time this country was founded. Go check the Constitution and quote me the section that mentions free market principles.

You seem to be another victim of the failing American public education system. While the term "free market" may have been coined after the Constitution, it was a well-known concept to the founders. They were, many, heavily influenced by the writings of John Locke, and while he may not have used that term specifically, his philosophy very much involved what we now call free market principles. Even more so, in fact, because the idea of taxing labour was anathema to him and the founding fathers that he influenced. Property rights and freedom were inseparable.

Comment: Re:Yeah good luck with that... (Score 1) 587

by Curunir_wolf (#49417585) Attached to: Hugo Awards Turn (Even More) Political

There's very little ideologically-driven violence in the United States, but notable incidents (Una-bomber, Eric Rudolf, Oklahoma City bombing, various anti-LGBT [wikipedia.org] murders/assaults) are exclusively committed by right-wing actors. (Feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong.)

Well, I can correct you one point (although you may disagree with me anyway). The Una-bomber (a.k.a. Ted Kaczynski) is probably defined most accurately as a luddite more than anything else. If you read his Manifesto, it's clear that he had both extremist left-wing views as well as a right-wing views. If you read how he defines "leftism", I think you will note that very few leftists would agree with his definition. And he calls conservatives "fools". There is certainly nothing in his manifesto that is in sync with right-wing ideology.


Comment: Re: SJWs??? (Score 1) 587

by Curunir_wolf (#49416803) Attached to: Hugo Awards Turn (Even More) Political

SJWs specialize in wording their attacks in a politically correct manner, so they don't overtly sound like assholes even when that's their intent. No mystery there.

Pretty much. Case in point. In this technique, the individuals under attack are first assumed to be "incredibly racist/sexist/homophobic", and anything flowing from that as an assumed fact sounds reasonable.

Comment: FCC Net Neutrality (Score 2) 58

by Curunir_wolf (#49365079) Attached to: Australian Government Outlines Website-Blocking Scheme

This will start happening soon in the US, now that the FCC has passed rules that only protect "lawful" content from getting blocked...

I TOLD you to be careful what you ask for. Everything will be scanned and known. How else will ISPs determine what is "lawful" content and "lawful" protocols (yes, that's in the language, too - "lawful protocols").

Comment: Re:Unicomp Keyboard (Score 1) 452

by Curunir_wolf (#49274559) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Good Keyboard?

based on the IBM model M. You will not need a new keyboard again for a good many years.

Model M keyboards do not 'die'. On occasion, one will be called to Valhalla to feast with the heroes of legend for eternity; so replacements aren't out of the question; but that's pretty much the only failure mode.

Not the only one. I have one that has several non-functional keys because enough of the plastic rivets that hold the metal plate to the internal plastic board have failed, producing a warp. There is probably some technique to re-attach it, but I haven't found one yet. 30 years ain't bad for plastic rivets, but clearly they have a limited lifespan.

Comment: Re:This sucks. (Score 1) 299

by Curunir_wolf (#49248871) Attached to: Sir Terry Pratchett Succumbs To "the Embuggerance," Aged 66

Using that logic, suicide bombers should be called "sacrificial bombers".

Probably so, but that doesn't make for good marketing / war propaganda. The people committing these acts don't call it "suicide", they call it Jihad or martyring. "Kamikaze" was translated for Americans into being synonymous with suicide, too, but it actually means "divine wind".

"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company." -- Mark Twain