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Comment: Re:So let me get this straight... (Score 1) 121

by CronoCloud (#43681493) Attached to: Ouya Game Console Retail Launch Delayed Until June 25

There is a whole new breed of game on the market. Rapidly developed, community driven indy titles that focus on core gameplay mechanics, fun, and style. These games may be artistic, high concept,creative, or "hard core" skill based titles. (Likely a combination of any of all of these) These games bring back a lot of what you loved from 80s and 90s titles. (Some are even complete remakes)

I would say recent rather than new considering these having been showing up for the past half decade or so.

These games are inexpensive, are updated frequently, and often start as incomplete projects that are developed with close input from the gaming community. They often eschew lots of high end 3d graphics as that stuff takes a lot of time and money to develop.

True, but that often leads to a lack of polish and the inability of the developers to actually "finish" the game.

These games are POPULAR (just look at minecraft) >/quote>

Yes, lets look at nerd favorite Minecraft...which I do own and I have enjoyed playing it, but it's one of the worst "enjoyable" games I've ever played and I don't consider it worth the money I paid... maybe 10 bucks...but it's not worth $25

1. Mojang combines the worst aspects of a Euro-dev and open source traditions in one developer.

2. Minecraft isn't finished! Rather than saying "Okay we're done adding new features it's time to polish up what we do have... they keep adding even more complexity and stuff to a game that's already to complex for most people. Sure perhaps your grandma plays minecraft...but "How" does she play it? Is she only using creative? I bet the vast majority of players other than a few EE trained nerds don't even mess with redstone circuitry and just use creative mode as an infinite lego set.

3. The main developer has, rather than actually finishing what he started, gone on to the "next thing" and handed the game off to someone else. Which is a serious problem in the open source community.

4. The game has major discoverability and UI issues...information that SHOULD be presented in the game itself isn't... you actually have to use the Wiki to learn how to play because the game tells you NOTHING! That's bad and lazy design right there. The only version of Minecraft that even tries to deal with this issue is the Xbox 360 version! Why the heck hasn't the 360 version's tutorial become standard in the PC version?

and the large console makers have completely, utterly failed to serve this market.

They have? News to me since I can just go into PSN and buy a ton of "little games" from smaller development houses like you've been talking about there.

Closed platforms, high development prices, difficult development tools, restrictive policies, and a very high cost of publishing updates all make the above development model impossible.

It's not impossible since smaller developers can and do get published on consoles.

Comment: Re:Expensive. (Score 1) 232

by CronoCloud (#43562243) Attached to: Paul Thurrot Predicts November Debut, $500 Tag For Xbox 720

What strikes me the most about the Xbox infinity and the PlayStation 4 is how very similar they are. It's almost like they've been taking notes from each other!

The CPU core in the 360 is based on the PPU in the Cell. What a way for Microsoft to stick it to Sony by taking advantage of Sony's expenditures on R&D with IBM.

Comment: Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (Score 1) 232

by CronoCloud (#43561979) Attached to: Paul Thurrot Predicts November Debut, $500 Tag For Xbox 720

I paid $5 for Fallout: New Vegas,

I got Saints Row 3 in a Humble Bundle deal along with a bunch of other games for about $15 (I can't remember exactly what I spent, by SR3 was the bonus game at the time that you got if you paid more than the average donation which is usually about $10).

You want to know why some developers treat the PC as an afterthought? Cheap-ass guys li9ke you who basically let the console gamers subsidize game development. Maybe if you didn't spend so much on your "gaming rig", you'd have money to, you know, actually buy games.

You are not stuck with a system where the games cost you $60.

Neither are console gamers there ARE inexpensive games on PSN and the other two console download services.

Comment: Re:Proving oneself (Score 1) 305

by CronoCloud (#43466063) Attached to: Ouya Performance Not Particularly Exciting

If by "portable" you mean Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita, first timers still need to prove themselves to gain access to those platforms. If by "portable" you mean smartphones, what's the best practice for emulating a gamepad on a flat sheet of glass?

In this case I mean Android and iOS. And enough with the "best case" crap, figure it out, it's not that hard.

The best case for emulating a gamepad on a touchscreen is to NOT do it and do a game designed for touch controls. But yes I know you want to do gamepad-console style games, but thems the breaks.

Do a couple of phone/tablet games and maybe you can do a game designed for a gamepad on a REAL portable or living room console.

But it's pretty obvious that you have to pay your dues first, Though if y ou're real lucky you can show of some kind of prootype that's good enough.isn't it?

Comment: Re:People fit around a single (Score 1) 305

by CronoCloud (#43465089) Attached to: Ouya Performance Not Particularly Exciting

Say I have a finished PC game that I want to bring to Xbox Live or PSN. What's the best practice for making my company and my game look attractive to Microsoft and Sony?

I don't know..ask the companies that have already done it. Lots of small devleoper games on PSN. It seems to help to be an established development house...first timers should stick with PC and portable to prove themselves...then you can contact Sony

And don't complain about the reality of the situation and how Sony and Nintendo should just let every basement dweller with a puzzle game clone publish on PSN/Wii Shop....thems the limitations and you have to live with them.

Comment: Re:I would buy a Steam Box if... (Score 1) 310

by CronoCloud (#43347631) Attached to: Valve Starts Publishing Packages For Its Own Linux Distribution

But to do so you either have to make it much harder to play by controller, make it much easier to play by keyboard/mouse, or offer two modes.

I've not played many console RTS's, the ones I have are all PSone titles (distinct lack of such for the PS2/PS3) Every single one of them support the PSone mouse. so there is that option, though it doesn't seem to make much difference in playability, For the C&C titles/Dune 2000 it makes some functions easier but some functions harder.

My suspicion is that the two modes thing would have to be sufficiently different as to require quite a bit of "duplicate" engineering.

Probably. The best of the PSone RTS's in my opinion was Warzone 2100 which was developed as a cross-platform title and performs better on the PSone than the C&C based titles do (uses a 3D engine for one reason) It's UI actually changes depending on what controls you have hooked up to your PSone.
Hook up a PSone mouse and you get more UI buttons. ( but lose the ability to directly drive your command vehicle.

It's a pretty good game, the company released the source to it.

it already seems like making games multiplatform are causing the PC versions to be "dumbed down" a bit.

I've always considered that statement to be somewhat of an "elistist grognard" attitude. I feel the same way to a certain extent. I'm old enough to remember when a larger proportion of PC gamers played games from companies like SSI, and Origin...before DOOM and other games brought in a load of what I used to call "frat boy gamers", but now just call "dudebros" But...without the masses there wouldn't be enough people to make certain genre's profitable. It's a good thing that games are more "user friendly" and don't require tedious note-taking or graph paper maps.

Comment: Re:Controllers.... (Score 1) 310

by CronoCloud (#43346953) Attached to: Valve Starts Publishing Packages For Its Own Linux Distribution

But you will see the same thing happen as when Unreal had a console release capable of using keyboard/mouse.

Was I not referring to RTS's rather than FPS's? Why bring the old FPS arguments into it.

You have no fine granular input with a controller.

You don't? Could have fooled me. Besides in an RTS it's isn't ZAbout fine control it's about lassoing and general pointing. You don't need to click on some enemies 2 pixel head from a mile away, you just need to point your tanks/APC's at a general target.

You have a very limited number of executions with a controller

Not really all that limited, two analog sticks, 4 shoulder buttons, 4 face buttons, select and start, plust the d-pad can be u sed for more buttons as well as L3 and R3. That's a lot of buttons. Start using them in combinations and that's even more functions.

whereas with a kbd/mouse your actions per second are MUCH higher.

Really? Do you know how fast those buttons can be pressed on that control pad, very very quickly.Though it would depend on the UI.

Comment: Re:I would buy a Steam Box if... (Score 1) 310

by CronoCloud (#43339157) Attached to: Valve Starts Publishing Packages For Its Own Linux Distribution

MOBA's are essentially action RPG's with RTS elements so it would be possible to do a controller centric control scheme... in fact it's already been done. Google "Guardians of Middle Earth"

And it's also possible to do an RTS with a controller, considering it's been done before. The only controls an RTS absolutely needs are a pointer, a way to move a pointer, an ability to select onscreen elements, and an ability to cancel. Everything else is extra. So basically a joypad and two buttons are all you really need. Remember, the first RTS ever was a Sega Genesis game, Herzog Zwei abd Westwoods seminal RTS Dune II was also available on the Genesis. You know that context sensitive cursor in Westwood's C&C? That idea came from the Genesis port of Dune II.

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