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Comment: Re:not my takeaway at all (Score 1) 20

by Bill Dog (#48902379) Attached to: Props to William Jacobson

Well it's all they had decades ago, when they used to be on the outside of the mainstream; all they could do is cobble together disparate voting blocs. Which, as I understand it, didn't always mesh, as I seem to recall hearing that some Dem conventions of a while ago weren't exactly models of unity. But the constant beating into their constituents of the message that Republicans hate and are out to get all of them, and that you can't make it without the Left, whether you're Black, gay, trans-this-or-that, Latino, female, drug-addicted, whatever else, finally worked. And the promise to steal other people's money for them, of course.

But I had a question in my previous post that I'd like to offer you a chance to comment on again. You hold out hope that America can be turned around, but how do you envision that possibly occuring:

So what could possibly cause the populace (the citizenry plus the non-citizenry, that is) to want to get more involved in standing up to corruption and the slide Leftward.

Comment: Re:not my takeaway at all (Score 1) 20

by Bill Dog (#48896765) Attached to: Props to William Jacobson

Yes, even in systems other than democracies it's usually on the people as to what they'll put up with. In ours the populace is ultimately to blame, for the corruption that exists (whether Leftism- or corporate-induced).

But in our defense, we've been disarmed. Both literally and figuratively. While maybe technology and deepness of pockets has rendered us no longer able to physically restrain our government and its ruling class, we've been societally neutered of the knowledge and background and spirit to resist a government and ruling class running amok. So how much can we blame the people in America today.

And having an open southern border is pure genius on the Left's part. We people used to come to here to leave communism because they hated it and were convinced that it didn't work, not because they thought it was the best for them if only it had a sufficient funding base. People used to come here who believed they could make it on their own, and wanted to assimilate. It's a dream come true for the Left to have masses of immigrants who believe communism just wasn't done right, and don't want to assimilate but stay divided in ethnic/cultural communities but coming together to vote Democrat.

So not only have we been disarmed, but we've been diluted. I live in SoCal and Latinos work very hard here, I notice the jobs they do and they're not easy or clean jobs, and they don't pay much I would imagine, and they don't complain. So it's not solely of them and the background they bring with them (of faith in communism and tolerance of corruption), it's also a function of America today.

I think when the Irish and Polish and Italian immigrant waves came, they actually liked the basic system of America and wanted to melt into it. They thought they could make it just fine on their own, by working. Now we have multiculturalism and its encouragement of cultural segregation, and of not learning the language and customs and fully joining in. Now suddenly these days it's like America is at a zenith of racism and the message that can and does resonate is that you can't make it on your own in America, without the Left's help.

I.e. sympathy for Leftist values has probably already reached critical mass here. So what could possibly cause the populace (the citizenry plus the non-citizenry, that is) to want to get more involved in standing up to corruption and the slide Leftward. When the passing along of the American independent spirit to the young is being suppressed, and our population is being backfilled by those who'd never had it and don't appreciate it or want it.

Comment: not my takeaway at all (Score 1) 20

by Bill Dog (#48896457) Attached to: Props to William Jacobson

This doesn't set back fascism a little, just reveals it a little (and when the populace doesn't care, then those are not both one and the same). And too many laws is bad, but, at least at the amount that we have, that's not what's leading to uneven enforcement.

A couple of the earlier comment-leavers (I didn't read all of the comments) touched on the problems:

[...] illustrates the contempt with which government agencies treat the law and the citizenry.

and:

Politics supersedes the law. The “rule of law” now means “who rules, makes up the laws.” The legal framework that stabilizes a society has been thrown out [...]

One of the reasons we have uneven enforcement is because we have a ruling class in this country. It is comprised of those on the Left who are in power, and that is politicians as well as government employees (and which would be almost all of those), plus those of the Republican party in power who partially align with them, plus those on the Left in prominence in the news and entertainment media.

See what the criteria are. Power, or prominence. As Andy Stern once said (about the Leftist movement in general), paraphrasing, we'll either use the power of persuasion or the persuasion of power. Republicans out of office, no matter how sympathizing to the Left, have no use to them. And do you think either of your two trolls here would get special treatment under the law, just for being good Lefties. Nope, because they have neither.

And what that charlatan so-called leader of labor (as a worker, he represents me about as much as Al Sharpton represents much of those who are Black) said points to the other problem. It's what's also in the meaning behind the Left's "elections have consequences".

It's the mindset/political philosophy of having total disregard for stability and agreed-upon things and a system of rules and laws. That if I "win" (because to them, governing is a reward (and the most rewarding thing you can do, morally)), either through getting into power through elections or other means, or getting public opinion behind me through literally however I can, then I get to set the rules.

Then I should get to set them largely independent of precedent or existing systems of rules, is what it means to them. And therefore I should get to say when they apply. And when I'm a member of the ruling class, I say they don't apply to my class. (Without a whole class of people positioned to and dedicated to or complicit with moving the U.S. Leftward, favor could only be singled out based on familial or financial gain or other traditional grounds besides this secular religious movement one.)

And there you have it. Identify any holes if you care.

Comment: Re:Declaring victory too early, you are (Score 1) 76

by Bill Dog (#48843757) Attached to: Props to Bill Maher

I'm totally interested in reasoned, rational debate. The kind where it's dispassionate, care is taken to assume good intentions of the other person, honest admission of fault is offered, information is exchanged, and learning occurs.

And I'm sure that DR and fusta and other Lefties will give you what you're looking for here, any day now, as long as you just keep believing in it. Cuz, I mean, all those things are, deep down inside, really what they want too. (And not just confusion and more obfuscation so that their side continues to gain more power.) Because Lefties are just like Righties, only on the other side of the issues, amiright? Yeah, that's it, both Lefties and Righties are just lovers and seekers of the truth, you just need to keep trying to soothe and assuage Lefties to bring this non-evil side out of them. (That's got to be in there somewhere. It just has to.) I hope you're as steadfast in your faith in God as you are in Lefties.

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