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Comment There is no shortage (Score 3, Informative) 43

http://spectrum.ieee.org/stati...

I would contend that there is a shortage, but it is mostly for senior level people who may have some niche experience, which is true of almost any field. But for your run of the mill jobs, you don't necessarily need this. Most people, by definition, are average.

Oh, and companies don't get a free pass, either. Many of them what a top 1% coder for bottom 50% wages if at all possible.

Lastly, if there was such a shortage, we'd see companies hiring people that didn't have their "required" experience, but had a couple operational brain cells that could be coached up. I saw this during the dot-com boom.

Comment Re:A dupe but can't be said enough (Score 1) 614

No, it's definitely illegal/against the rules to deliberately pay an H1-B worker less than a native worker in the same position. That doesn't stop anyone from doing it. The program depends on the visa holders to report any wrongdoing; however, I think we all know what would happen should they complain. H1-Bs are considered even more disposable than your average worker, and have a fixed amount of time after being terminated to obtain new employment or face deportation. They keep their mouths shut, and keep getting paid less.

I've read that the suggestion that companies give a laundry list of requirements and experience needed for the job and list it as a "Junior" level position or call it a different type of position all together. Then of course they can't find a local especially at the wages offered.

Think about it, why else would a company employ an H1-B? They will scream and cry about a shortage of native workers to fill open positions, but they're full of shit. There are more than enough native workers to fill the positions; there just aren't enough native workers available at the salaries they want to pay. So, in a sense, they're not lying about a shortage, but it's a shortage of their own creation. That, and frequently a company will identify an H1-B they want to hire and write a job description so specific to their skill set that they can claim there aren't any qualified native workers. Which is true; nobody has the exact same skill set as someone else.

If there were such a shortage as people claim....

  • Wages would go up, especially faster than inflation, which I don't think has happened over the last 15 years, based off of some data I saw.
  • We already graduate more people with a STEM degree than vacancies every year, and that doesn't include people with a STEM degree working outside of STEM[1]

[1]http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

Comment Re:So - the fact that others are doing it makes it (Score 4, Insightful) 312

Unfortunately, I would agree.

If a country wants a piece of the action, maybe they should take a good hard look at their tax code. They may have to lower taxes *gasp* Perhaps getting 17% of something is better than getting 30% of $0.

The reason companies do this is because it's more profitable to hire an army of lawyers and accountants to skirt local laws.

Comment Re:More jobs, not less? (Score 1) 442

It may "create" jobs - just not the ones we want. I can envision that it would create lower paying service jobs in the short term.

I think the intention of the H1B system was to bring the "best" people over to the US. Their "ideas" would create jobs, but I don't think that has panned out over the long term.

Comment Re:Lies, bullshit, and more lies ... (Score 4, Insightful) 442

This is usually my response to people who say "Software Development is red hot."

It's red hot if you're a senior level person in some specific tech/industry. It is also very dependent on geography, and people can't exactly get up and move easily.

Comment Re:Keep the foreigners at bay! (Score 1) 442

At least until the locals catch-up to the market requirements...or else they risk being put out of a job because they cannot compete.

While that is a valid counterpoint to keeping the H1B program, I think part of the problem is companies choose not to invest in training programs and/or set the bar to high many times. Your mom and pop operation does not need to hire Donald Knuth to update their CRUD based inventory system.

Comment Re:Lies, bullshit, and more lies ... (Score 5, Insightful) 442

Agreed.

Didn't the IEEE conduct a study that there is already a glut of people here already with at least a STEM education, but not working in STEM.... And we're graduating more people with STEM degrees than STEM jobs available every year?

Until we are at the point where anyone who wants to work in STEM can do so, I think we should not let in people. STEM jobs are generally jobs you want people to take...

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