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Comment Re:Social security number (Score 0) 166

please feel free to give me counterexamples

I wouldn't take an American's word for the quality (or lack of it) of Indian outsourced services, since an American has a vested interest in painting India and Indians as inferior and poor workers. Since you asked for counterexamples, start with this one:

Comment Re:Jaguar? (Score 1, Informative) 301

Can you name any good programs that have come out of India? Because every occasion I know of when work has been sent there has been a disaster.

Well, I'll tell you about a failure instead of a success.

There was this project in which I was the Senior Consultant/Technical Architect, implementing a certain Supply Chain planning software, and there was a huge amount of data integration involved. Now, the sales team (Americans, all) had promised the moon to get the contract, so when I actually sat down with the client, I was horrified with the client's expectations, both in terms of work and timeline. I (and the Project Manager, both of us Indians) started convincing and negotiating the timeline and scope with the client. The client was naturally pissed and we had to take a lot of shit from them during the discussions. The issue was escalated to senior management (Americans again), and we received instructions from them to 'find a middle path' since we couldn't 'afford to lose this client'. In the end, we ended up with requirements that involved just too much customization to the pre-existing product (and a very aggressive timeline too).

Now, when we began building the team, pressure was put on us by some members of senior management (Americans, btw) to keep the number of billable resources to a minimum so that we wouldn't exceed our budget. We got together 10 resources (much less that what I'd have liked), out of which 3 were crap (But hey, that's bound to happen in any project, anywhere). I started asking the client for access to a dump of their data, or at least a subset of it. Now, their data maintenance was outsourced to a third company, and with all the bloody bureaucracy there ('Data security issues', interdepartmental protocol, and so on), it was 3 weeks before we started to get some data. Realize that I had returned to Bangalore now after taking all the shit from the client during the requirement discussions, and was building the technical team and kick-starting the project offshore. So all conversation with the customer was telephonic, not to mention the timezone issues. We had an 'on site coordinator' (American btw), but though he was technically good, he wasn't efficient in getting things done, pushing the client for data, and so on.

When we actually got the data, we found that the code we had written so far (remember, we were working blind all this while, with only the 'documents' to guide us) needed significant changes. And they never gave us a complete consistent dataset - it was all trickling in one by one, and extracted at different points in time. So we got data for salesorders which referred to certain items, while the items dataset had none of those items! Lot of such inconsistencies made life hell for us, and our database.

I won't ramble on and describe all the other shit that we had to face on that project, but the end result was an over-budget, delayed project. Which was implemented in the end, but only after the 'Indian offshore team' was blamed for all the ills of the world. As far as I know, the client is still using the product and is happy with it now - their retarded end users have got a good feel of the product by now, I suppose. But who got blamed for no fault of theirs? The Indians. Who worked their asses out to successfully finish the task inspite of being fucked from all directions? The Indians. And who gets blamed and vilified in the end? Yep, the Indians!

I have heard (and seen) similar things in several (not all) projects.

Comment Re:Jaguar? (Score -1, Troll) 301

Hmm.. if Indian programmers are sooooo bad and shitty, wonder why you guys are sooooo worried about losing your jobs, Indians getting all the code jobs, and so on? After all, sooner or later, the quality (or lack thereof) will be noticeable to all, and corporations would drop India like a hot potato, isn't it? Or, are you perhaps stating that everyone in the USA apart from your esteemed self, is a moron who can't see the obvious?

Comment Re:INDIA / SOUTHEAST ASIA BASHING (Score -1) 281

That's the way, dude! Look at the arrogance of the Anonymous Coward - he assumes that anyone who provides logical explanations to clear stereotypes is 'sapping' the American education system. The poster is most probably a leech living off benefits. I'm not perplexed by such posts anymore. Some people just cannot understand sane logical points - they deserve absolutely no sympathy or civility.

Comment Re:The free world isn't so free anymore... (Score -1) 601

I was "caught" taking photos in the Delhi metro with my mobile camera once, and the security guys almost confiscated my phone. I pretended to delete all the photos I had taken and they were satisfied and let me go... Today, the situation worldwide is such that, if you so much as dare suggest that the security thing is a little overblown and some of the rules are ridiculous, you'll have a pile of right-wing nutters on your backs within seconds! That's how it's going to be for the forseeable future and we must just get used to it...

Comment What's all the fuss about? (Score -1) 281

No Government or intelligence agency in the world is interested in your grandma and her pals exchanging recipes. Neither are they interested in reading anonymous techies let off steam on slashdot. Communications monitoring will become more and more common in all countries going forward, India included. As long as we have this terrorist/militant bugbear there's no escaping this. Maybe we just get used to it? And oh - if American citizens think that their Government does not have the means to monitor communication, all I have to say is - dream on.

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