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Comment: Re:How many questions can YOU beg in one definitio (Score 1) 279

by 91degrees (#47424195) Attached to: The Lovelace Test Is Better Than the Turing Test At Detecting AI
Yes you're right. I didn't read that properly.

Although I think the summary oversimplifies things a lot. Skimming the actual paper, it looks like the Lovelace test is not a test in itself but a means to critique tests for AI. It could apply to a chatbot or a story writer or anything else.

So if I ask a chatbot "How many legs does a horse have", it would fail if it just looks up the answer in a database that contains "legs", "horse" and knows to give the answer "4" (because can trivially explain that), but if it has learned from earlier conversation what a horse is and what a leg is and comes up with a correct answer, it would pass, because I have no way of knowing the exact inputs it used. Something like that anyway.

Comment: Re:How many questions can YOU beg in one definitio (Score 1) 279

by 91degrees (#47422807) Attached to: The Lovelace Test Is Better Than the Turing Test At Detecting AI

What's a "program" ("anything")?

A deterministic sequence of instructions that could be converted to work on a universal Turing machine. I don;t htink this is really a valid criticism.

What does it mean to be "engineered to produce" one?

Presumably we're talking about a specific condition and expectation that is part of the specification. Although since a lot of specs are informal this does need to be clarified.

What's a "hardware fluke"?

Not sure on this one. My initial thought was that this was just a requirement that it not produce pure randomness and get a valid result statistically.

What constitutes "explanation" of how it was done?

I think this one is the main problem. It's very subjective what an explanation is. It's also somewhat dependent on the programmer.

Comment: Re:Standard of integration (Score 1) 174

Who's talking about a PC here? I'm talking about consoles.

XBox Live is a single service that integrates the entire online functionality of an XBox. Online gaming, chat, high scores, and all the rest.

would it need to have shipped as part of what was then the monopoly PC operating system, or would third party matchmaking frameworks count as well?

I have no idea what it would need to do. Tell you what; solve that problem and then I'll agree you're innovative as well.

Comment: Re:Online gaming prior to Xbox Live (also Macs) (Score 1) 174

That word is subjective, and people will spend days arguing over subjective definitions. Could you give a more objective criterion?

No. Can you can give an objective criterion for "innovation"?

And you needed an Xbox Live subscription and a copy of each game for each console to play Xbox Live.

You needed a single XBox live subscription. it worked for all games for all publishers. Did anyone else offer this? Was it integrated with the rest of the system?

Comment: Re:Online gaming prior to Xbox Live (also Macs) (Score 1) 174

Xbox Live came out in the fourth quarter of 2002. By that time, EverQuest had already been out for three and a half years. So I must be misunderstanding what you mean by "serious thing".

Everquest was niche. You need an Everquest subscription to play it. Ultima online needed another subscription. XBox Live simplified everything established and made it acccessible to casual gamers.

If you call At Ease "new".

Windows 8 looks just like At Ease. Can't tell the difference.

Nope, that was Kerry Clendinning in 1992. In System 7, Apple made each "desk accessory" run in its own process and stored them in separate files within the Apple Menu items folder instead of resources in the System file. By doing this, Apple turned the Mac's Apple menu into a rudimentary quick launch menu.

I can see how it similar, but you yourself say it's rudimentary. MS made the Star Menu part of the actual user experience.

Honestly, what company *does* innovate?

Comment: Re:Microsoft can't innovate (Score 2) 174

Well, they came up with the XBox, and established online gaming as a serious thing. The Zune HD was apparently really good, but nobody bought it. MS came up with a completely new UI. Everyone complained and bitched because they removed the "start" menu (which incidentally was another MS innovation).

So they do innovate, but slashdotters ignore it or hate them for it.

Comment: Re:What MS needs to do is (Score 4, Insightful) 174

Only if Google stop making their map crapper.

They still use the wrong colours for UK roads. Orange, orange and yellow-orange is not a good colour scheme.

The new map interace is slow. I can't just click a "from" and a "to". I have to find the place I want to go.

If you had better tools, you could more effectively demonstrate your total incompetence.

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