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UT Austin Hit By Massive Security Breach

Posted by timothy on Thu Mar 06, 2003 01:11 PM
from the wonder-if-they-got-mine dept.
mrpuffypants writes "Reported in the Austin-American Statesman: The University of Texas' security was compromised over the weekend, leaking out nearly 60,000 records on students, staff, and faculty. Official word from the school can be found here. Most troubling of all is that, like most schools, UT still uses SSNs for student ID numbers, and that was part of the information taken from them in the attack."
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  • All they got... (Score:5, Funny)

    by FirstManOnMoon (613282) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:15PM (#5450560)
    "Those SSNs that matched selected individuals in a UT database were captured, together with e-mail address, title, department name, department address, department phone number, and names/dates of employee training programs attended. It is important to note that no student grade or academic records, or personal health or insurance information was disclosed."

    Phew, I feel so much better now!
  • I wish I had known... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Patrick13 (223909) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:15PM (#5450564)
    (http://www.dotcomicide.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday July 03 2003, @12:46PM)
    I wish I had known about it, I would have asked them to change my transcripts to give me a better GPA. :P
    • Changing GPA by robi2106 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:20PM
  • Action (Score:5, Interesting)

    by StingRayGun (611541) <ryanrrayNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:15PM (#5450565)
    What legal action may the students and faculty take? In Washington it is illegal to use a students SSN to identify students. There was groaning at every campus in Washington for weeks. I bet there as glad as me that Washington was so on top of this.
    • Pain to rember another number.... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:38PM
    • Re:Action (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Gossy (130782) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:44PM (#5450899)
      Why is it such a hassle for Unis to generate their own unique IDs for students?

      As I undertsand, the SSN isn't even a *good* unique identifier - for one thing it has no built-in checksum, and it's possible that your number isn't unique (could be wrong on the latter, but it's not really my point..)

      Just issuing consecutive numbers to students who enrol is just one extremely simple way to replace using SSNs.

      My bank issues me a number that identifies my account, my mobile phone company gives me a number to identify my phone, why is it so hard for unis to issue numbers to identify students?

      Why were the unis in Washington so unhappy with the change? Sure, a few thousand people need to be given numbers and that can take a while to physically issue - but if the law allowed, perhaps a phased implementation of the scheme, so new people are given one of the new numbers?
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      • Core SSN use by hackwrench (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:58PM
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  • I used to go to UT Austin (Score:3, Informative)

    by JJAnon (180699) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:16PM (#5450573)
    and so far, there has been NO communication from UT about the possible theft - the only reason I heard about it is that someone forwarded the article to me this morning. UT seems to be adopting a 'lets-hope-nothing-screwy-happens' attitude to the whole thing, and that is very worrying. There is no way to tell if your ID was one of those stolen - which strikes me as being a little weird. It would make sense to inform the affected individuals as soon as possible, so that they could start being a little more vigilant about their credit histories. But apparently that goes against the wishes of the authorities up high.
  • Illegal? by govtcheez (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:16PM
    • Re:Illegal? by jpmjpm1 (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:19PM
    • Re:Illegal? by JJAnon (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:20PM
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      • Re:Illegal? by cryptor3 (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @06:07PM
    • Re:Illegal? by jkerman (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:25PM
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      • Re:Illegal? by The_K4 (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:12PM
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  • That sucks by jsb2 (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:17PM
  • Slightly OT - choice of credentials (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 1984 (56406) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:17PM (#5450580)
    OK, so I can see how a university might come to use SSNs as an identifier. They're unique and everyone already has one. Easy.

    But why are SSNs so sensitive? It's like a credit card number -- it's printed some places, gets bandied about in others. Not exactly confidential, and no intuitive or documented boundaries on who should be trusted to with it. So it's a scary number that can be used for bad things, but you'll have to give it out in many circumstances where you aren't fully aware of how it'll be used. Makes it tricky to know who has it, or to make an informed decision about where you use it.

    Again, it's easy to see how the practice of using it as a credential has continued (and got worse), but when did it start?
  • Are the stolen records ever used? (Score:5, Interesting)

    I've seen a whole bunch of 'stolen credit card #' type stories on Slashdot lately... the thing is, we never hear about any repercussions of these thefts. Do the thieves ever use the stolen records in large quantities? Follow-up is good :). Any info people have, post it here (I'm thinking of, in response to the Amazon CC# thefts from a few weeks ago, etc.)
  • One Copy? by robi2106 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:17PM
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  • by efflux (587195) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:17PM (#5450585)
    My school still uses SSN's as student id's. I've found that as a student employee I run into thousands of id's a day. I know it's the same way for a lot of student employees on campus. When will schools learn the benefits of a autogenerated key?
  • As a recent graduate... by lhbtubajon (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:18PM
    • Re:As a recent graduate... (Score:4, Informative)

      by binaryDigit (557647) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:25PM (#5450681)
      What steps can one take to protect one's identity?

      You can't (not to say that you shouldn't make it more difficult, but just don't fool yourself into thinking that it's possible to do absoultely). It's like your house or car, you can take steps to make it more difficult to break in/steal, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop someone is wants to target YOU. So the best thing to do is to introduce a bit of paranoia in your life and assume therefore that it COULD happen and adjust accordingly. So for you're indentity, you do regular checks of your credit report, you keeps tabs on your bank accounts, you review your credit card statements, etc. The absolute worse thing that can happen is for someone to grab your identity and use it for a length of time without your knowledge. Getting your cc company to forgive unauthorized purchases is easy, as long as you do it within 30 days of your statement. Having someone apply for a cc with your info can bite you in the butt if you're trying to buy that car or get that mortgage, so you make sure you check well in advance and make sure that window of exposure is a small as possible.
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    • Re:As a recent graduate... by bpfinn (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:28PM
    • Re:As a recent graduate... by John Hasler (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:53PM
    • Simple . . . by Idou (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:24PM
    • Re:As a recent graduate... by FatAlb3rt (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:24PM
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  • Do I play too many games? by Eu4ria (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:18PM
  • from what Ive seen (Score:3, Interesting)

    by odyrithm (461343) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:18PM (#5450598)
    (Last Journal: Monday January 17 2005, @05:36AM)
    in schools, its very easy to retrieve information, I went round no less than 10 junior schools in my area to get information on the new students that are about to enter the new year in the secondary school I work as the information manager.. NOT ONE of the schools asked me for ID, they showed me to a machine and logged me in and let me walk out of the door with the information on floppy...

    Its a very scary.. but what can you do..
  • Penalties (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Skyshadow (508) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:18PM (#5450600)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Am I the only one who thinks that there should be penalties for the hack-ee when private information is stolen?

    Not to adapt a blame-the-victim mindset, but I mean really, why is this stuff on an internet-connected machine to begin with? I work in health care, and with HIPAA coming into effect, we've been moving a substantial part of our network off the internet -- if there's no physical connection, we can't get hacked.

    This stuff needs to be taken seriously, and not just in punishing the offenders. Look at it this way: If your bank got robbed tomorrow and all the items in your safe deposit box were made off with, would you blame the bank if you found out that the vault was left open and the deposit boxes were made of cardboard? I sure would.

    • Re:Penalties by Trevalyx (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:28PM
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    • Re:Penalties (Score:4, Informative)

      by Conare (442798) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:30PM (#5450750)
      (Last Journal: Monday April 22 2002, @12:59PM)
      "I work in health care, and with HIPAA coming into effect, we've been moving a substantial part of our network off the internet -- if there's no physical connection, we can't get hacked. " Oh really? Something like 60% of breaches are internal. What are you going to do now? Put everyone on their own separate network? We are going to see a lot of medical data stolen since Bush took the teeth out of the HIPAA requirements.
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  • preventable? by gh0ul (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:18PM
  • Clarification? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by binaryDigit (557647) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:19PM (#5450606)
    The UT link appears to be /.ed, but when I read it before it sounded like a simple brute force ssn lookup. The attacker simply generated random ssn and sent them against a page that returned information based on ssn. The attacker then simply harvested "positive" hits. The problem was that this interface was exposed to the public and that it had no means of throttling/preventing multiple requests/failed requests.

    On another note, UT is phasing out SSN in many aspects of the students life. My wifes UT ID does not contain her ssn, it has a student # now. Though I assume that there are still many points of interface with the UT system that expects to see ssn.
  • new exploit! by mrtroy (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:19PM
  • Yikes... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TopShelf (92521) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:20PM (#5450623)
    (http://forechecker.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday September 07, @08:16PM)
    It's amazing how much information you can get kicked back by simply trolling SSN's. This reminds me of the scandal last year [infoworld.com] with Yale's admissions information, which a Princeton administrator obtained by simply entering SSN's and birthdates on their web site. A brute-force attack like this one, simply adding birthdate to the mix, could have successful results in other places, I'm sure.
  • It's OK! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:21PM
  • SSN, Birthday, first and last names by jasonrocks (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:21PM
  • by revcorrupt (254160) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:21PM (#5450640)
    (http://www.reversecorruption.com/)
    This is NOT the first time, and I do not believe that it will be the last. I work and attend a medium sized college and I happen to know from other employees that our systems have been compromised on several occasions, and in fact they are still being compromised. I do not believe that any critical information has been stolen, but the security of the critical systems at our nations colleges and universities needs to improve. Our college refuses to publicly admit that they have had a serous breach or deny any knowledge of current security problems. It's quit frustrating to be a computer security enthusiast and attend a college that refuses to admit they have a serious problem.
  • by Dman33 (110217) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:22PM (#5450645)
    "There are six to 12 ways we could have reduced the risk to the database," Updegrove said. "The sad thing is, we didn't do any of them."

    It is good to see the University being so frank and honest about this matter. I am sure some heads are gonna roll, but at least the people affected will be provided with information and know how it happened.

    Speaking of how it happened... the article does not go into technical details, but I am curious how this database was accessible to the world and was spitting out data to qualifying queries of SSNs without any security context... I am sure someone here on /. has an opinion as to how this happened?
  • This johnny-come-lately "UT" is ripping off the initials and the colors of the original UT [utk.edu] (est. 1794 thank you very much)!!

    We demand that our child State of Texas cease and decist in the molestation of our look and feel.

    Sincerely,
    Volunteer Graduate of 1994

    PS, The UTK English Department is the Home of the Vowels [harbrace.com] ;-)
  • Probably just a student... by $$$$$exyGal (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:22PM
  • Hey, here's an idea (Score:3, Interesting)

    by buffer-overflowed (588867) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:23PM (#5450657)
    (Last Journal: Sunday July 29, @06:59PM)
    SSN's are valuable because you can use them for identity theft. You can use them for identity theft because they're a national ID card. Something "they" (the mythical them) say they are not.

    Apart from that all of the credit reporting, etc. goes through shadow companies that you can do nothing to if they screw you over (IE issue a credit card to a you that's not you).

    We need to make using an SSN for identification purposes entirely illegal, credit card companies and banks be damned. Or say it is a National ID and come up with a better way of securing identities.
  • at least some are getting smarter (Score:5, Interesting)

    by squarefish (561836) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:23PM (#5450662)
    Northwestern recently sent this out to all students:

    Dear Students:

    The following three bulleted topics are of student interest:

    * Social Security Number is removed from WildCARD ID
    With complaints about identity theft nearly doubled last year as the fast-growing crime topped the government's list of consumer frauds for the third consecutive year, WildCARD offices on the Evanston and Chicago campuses have started issuing new WildCARD identifications without social security numbers.

    The re-designed WildCARDS are being issued at no charge to faculty, staff and students who wish to exchange their existing card for one minus a social security number printed on the front. Those without a card to exchange because it was lost or stolen will be
    charged a $15 replacement fee.

    "The new purple WildCARD looks the same as the old one, but as opposed to printing the person's social security number that used to be their Northwestern "id" number, we have implemented a shortened "emplid" number which the University is issuing that has no association whatsoever with one's social security number," said Arthur Monge, manager of WildCARD and Vending.

    "We are not mandating that WildCARD holders be issued a new card, but the option is available for anyone who feels concerned about having the social security number visible on their existing card. It is a matter of personal choice to replace their existing card for one with an "emplid" number, at no charge, unless they have lost their card or it has been stolen." Since switching to a new WildCARD is optional, it can be done at one's leisure. Existing WildCARDS will continue to work, so if someone doesn't feel the need to have one without a social security number immediately, they can continue using their existing card until it expires.

    Northwestern University's multi-purpose, one-card program, WildCARD, was developed nine years ago to provide better identification for members of the University community and to simplify use of existing services, control access, reduce handling of cash, and enhance security. Students, faculty, staff, spouses and domestic partners of active, full-time faculty or staff, authorized contractors working within the University community, Research Park tenants, and individuals affiliated with a University department are all eligible for a WildCARD. For more information, call Art Monge (847) 467-3135 or check the WildCARD Web site at:
    http://www.univsvcs.northwestern.edu/WildCard /inde x.html

    * New vending machine refund bank locations
    If you didn't already know it, there are vending machine refund banks located throughout both campuses. A complete list can be found on the WildCARD & Vending web site at:
    http://www.univsvcs.northwestern.edu/WildCard /vend ing.html#refundloc

    New locations include the Family Institute at 618 Library Pl (front desk), Lake Shore Center at 850 N. Lake Shore Drive (front desk) and at Wieboldt Hall, 339 E. Chicago (Administrative office, 2nd fl). One is also planned for Galter Library in the near future.

    Each vending machine should have a sticker on it that indicates the nearest refund bank. If one is missing, please inform the Evanston Wildcard Office at 7-6843.

    * Other tidbits of information:
    --The Abbott Hall ATM now sells stamps
    --A Pepsi vending machine promotion is taking place now. Pepsi is giving away 80 Willie the Wildcat bobble head dolls. Look for a sticker on your next Pepsi purchase.
  • SSN as ID number (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TPIRman (142895) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:23PM (#5450663)
    While my university doesn't use the SSN for our student ID number, it still asks students to put it on countless forms and enter it into countless databases. It's always made me uneasy, and I hadn't even thought of the potential for a computer break-in. Rather, I was unsettled that any student worker who checked out a book for me at the library could see my SSN on his screen after scanning my ID card.

    But nothing wakes up a university -- especially a state school -- like the threat of litigation. If the cracker followed up and committed full-scale identity theft, the students would have grounds for a lawsuit against the school. Consider the recent New Hampshire lawsuit [slashdot.org] that dealt with SSNs and other personal information. With the potential for bloodthirsty lawyers, universities might finally get serious about protecting their students' information.
  • Bush's daughter (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wayward_son (146338) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:24PM (#5450668)
    Doesn't one of Bush's daughters go to UT?

    Could this possibly be related?
  • OOPS!!! by Newer Guy (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:24PM
    • Re:OOPS!!! by GMontag (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:28PM
  • by agrounds (227704) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:24PM (#5450678)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    I used to admin at a University. One of the most frustrating things I encountered was the incessant desire for there to be no restrictions on any of the computing systems that the students used. This includes the servers. The firewall was just an expensive router. We were not allowed to run blocks from the internet to inside IPs, as that defeated the spirit of free access. I tried to explain why it was a 'Bad Thing(tm)' repeatedly, but alway met with resistance from the shared governance committee. One cannot blame the administrators in this thing. I assure you they feel just as powerless as I did. This kind of thing will become more and more rampant as clueless faculty (or upper-management in the business world) are allowed to influence major IT decision-making.
  • SS as ID is INSANE!!! by Eric_Cartman_South_P (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:25PM
  • SSN's? Big deal. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Slime-dogg (120473) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:25PM (#5450689)
    (Last Journal: Thursday February 05 2004, @11:30PM)

    Big deal. If anyone wants to know my ssn, it's "336721433".

    SSN's are public information.

  • and this system was on the internet because ? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:26PM
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  • Already fixed (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:26PM (#5450704)
    They immediately disconnected the compromised database from the Internet, later hooking up a database of useless information.

    They probably just copied over the DB containing the University's security procedures.
  • `Recapturing'? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TKinias (455818) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:27PM (#5450710)

    UT says:

    UT, in conjunction with the U.S. Attorney's Office, the U.S. Secret Service, and other law enforcement agencies, has focused its efforts since Sunday evening on identifying the perpetrator(s) of the break-in and recapturing the stolen data.

    Someone is more than a little bit confused about the nature of digital storage if they think they can `recapture the stolen data'.

    `Ah, cool, we've managed to delete the copy they made of our data.'
    (whispers)
    `Another copy? How many copies did they steal?'

  • Isn't there a law?? by PDXNerd (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:28PM
    • Re:Isn't there a law?? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Dahan (130247) <khym@azeotrope.org> on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:47PM (#5450934)
      In general, government agencies (other than the IRS) can't require you to give them your SSN. There are a few exceptions though... and some govt. agencies want you to think that you need to give them your SSN when you don't actually need to. As an example, if you apply for a passport, the form [state.gov] threatens you with a $500 fine if you don't fill in your SSN. However, it's the IRS that wants to know if you're applying for a passport--you can actually tell the IRS directly, rather than sending your SSN to the State Dept. and having them tell the IRS.

      Private businesses can request your SSN if they want... you don't have to give it though. But if you don't, they don't have to give you whatever you're looking for either :)

      However, UT is a public school and is subject to the restrictions on government agencies... here's [uncg.edu] a page with some info on the use of SSNs in public schools.

      Anyways, as a former UT Austin student, I'd be annoyed if my SSN was one of the ones that got out... and if so, I wonder how UT plans on contacting me--as far as I know, they don't have my current address, phone number, or any other type of contact info. As a side note, the first year I was there (1988), a lot of professors posted exam grades outside the classroom indexed by SSN... I guess someone put a stop to that :)

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  • As a former UT Student... by Nanite (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:29PM
  • What the? by Baracus (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:29PM
  • SSN's are used too much (Score:3, Interesting)

    by StarTux (230379) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:29PM (#5450744)
    (http://www.linuxsimulations.org/ | Last Journal: Friday January 17 2003, @01:13AM)
    They just should not be used by any third party, one thing I was amazed on after moving from the UK to the US was just how many companies/people here ask for that information when really its not necessary.

    StarTux
  • UB by hckrdave (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:30PM
    • Re:UB by moniker_21 (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:20PM
  • Abridged Version of linked page by cyranoVR (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:30PM
  • Student Numbers = SSN by vasqzr (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:33PM
  • At least they admitted it by jaymzter (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:34PM
  • TAMU! by scotch (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:36PM
  • coincidentally.. by joehahn (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:37PM
  • UT students in the dark by sahidrajar (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:38PM
  • Virginia ... by Mikey-San (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:39PM
  • Wait, what's U. of Texas' mascot again? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:40PM
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  • Sequential student no's by MikeLRoy (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:40PM
  • SSN issue by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:41PM
  • Which head will roll? by plaidlad (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:42PM
  • security leaks abound by KingPrad (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:43PM
  • Nearly 60,000? by FunnyPolynomial (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:43PM
  • A little too targeted? by supabeast! (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:46PM
  • data security in unversitys needs to be tighter by category9 (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:50PM
  • Foreigners screwed? by howler.fi (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:54PM
  • I hope the next step... by frovingslosh (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:55PM
  • WWE? by derrickh (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:56PM
  • SSN at UT (Score:5, Informative)

    by yar (170650) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:56PM (#5451030)
    I have both attended at work at UT in IT, so I can give you my observations.

    For many years, UT had a non-centralized IT infrastructure. That is, the Colleges did one thing, the Administrative Computing Group did another thing, the Academic Computing Group did yet another thing, and the Libraries something else entirely. This was recently changed with the introduction of a new Office of Information Technology head by a new Vice Provost (Dan Updegrove, originally at Yale). One of the very first things I heard him address was the Social Security number problem in which every student, faculty, and staff member used their SSN as their ID. That practice had to change in order to meet both legal and privacy standards (see FERPA [cpsr.org]) , and UT has been trying for the past couple of years to make that happen. The trouble is, it was so integrated into all of the different services and departments that it is a slow process to remove it. They started to phase it out, but now UT is seeing the effects of this particular practice. I'm likely one of the ones who will be affected, so I'm waiting for them to announce where people can find that out. (It may be at the UT site, http://www.utexas.edu/datatheft/ [utexas.edu].

    The Daily Texan (student newspaper) has an article about the theft [dailytexanonline.com], as does the Houston Chronicle [chron.com].)

    By the way, your Social Security Number isn't public information. It is required for use by some agencies of the government, but you are not required to provide your SSN to private groups unless they need to interact with certain government agencies (this includes your employers, who deal with the IRS). That being said, SSNs are so commonly used a search may pull up that information- but that doesn't mean it is legally public info.
    • Re:SSN at UT by anon*127.0.0.1 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:30PM
  • We are guilty too... by zetes (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:57PM
  • I feel ... by ReidMaynard (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:00PM
  • Databases belong on the inside of a firewall by MrJerryNormandinSir (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:01PM
  • last semester for SSN identification (Score:3, Informative)

    by dj_whitebread (171775) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:03PM (#5451100)
    (http://www.djwhitebread.com/)
    Just to let everybody know, this was the last semester that UT was using SSN's as id's. We are in the process of switching over to what they call the EID. The EID is just a text string (similar to a user login). This is what we have to use to access online services for several years. Within months it was going to be our official identifier in all of the university's systems.
  • LOL by agent_force-elite (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:03PM
  • Honey pot (Score:3, Insightful)

    by oxfletch (108699) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:04PM (#5451129)
    What we need is a honey pot full of fake SSNs ... when people try to use them (obviously stolen), the Feds go round and arrest the bastards.
  • Laziness and Legacy by Darth_brooks (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:05PM
  • UT SSN vs. Student ID by InfiniteVoid (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:06PM
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  • Get the data back? by tsprad (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:07PM
  • by SysKoll (48967) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:10PM (#5451204)

    This is really sickening. A lot of schools still use SSN as student IDs. In State University of New York, until very recently, your SSN was used on your grad reports, your dorm phone bills, your administrative notices, and teachers even insisted that this SSN/Student ID should be written at the top of every homework. Old phone bills with your name, date of birth, address and SSN were often found in classrooms or on the floor.

    When I approached a SUNY teacher about this potential ID theft problem (back in 1999), his answer was: "I've been doing this for 20 years and I've never heard of this problem". Shocking, astonishing conclusion: The American academia is clueless! Oh no! How can that be! (But hey, it explains so much.)

    It took a few ruined students and an order from the Attorney General (IIRC) for stopping NY schools from using SSNs as student IDs.

    I am not really surprised that some administrative cretins are still camping on their position after all the theft ID problems of the last few years. After all, Schools Are Clueless.

    I would like to entertain the hope that a few of these moronic school administrations would be sued 'till they bleed by ruined students, but how could ruined students afford this kind of legal costs?

    -- SysKoll
  • "The University of Texas' security was compromised over the weekend, leaking out nearly 60,000 records on students, staff, and faculty."

    That information wasn't leaked, it was FREED!

  • User logon names as SSNs (Score:4, Interesting)

    by weave (48069) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:44PM (#5451530)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday September 15 2004, @07:07PM)
    Think this all is bad, the first college I attended used SSNs as your logon id. All one had to do is logon and type "?WHO" to get a list of 100s of usernames logged onto the system, then run *system/who to tie it to a name.

    (Extra credit props points to anyone who can name the system that I am talking about... Hint, this was late 70s to early 80s)

  • 55,000 records: Probably all current students by summernot (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:50PM
  • Who cares? by kickabear (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:51PM
  • List of Affected People by Animgif (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:52PM
  • Learn about fraud alerts (Score:3, Informative)

    by Davorama (11731) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:57PM (#5451671)
    (Last Journal: Friday April 29 2005, @11:48AM)
    I highly recommend to everyone to read this page carefully

    http://www.fightidentitytheft.com/flag.html

    and if the drawbacks don't sound too bad (think carefully!) make the calls. It takes about a half hour. Much less than the time you'll spend untangling the mess of an identity theft. You may also consider calling your bank and creditors to ask them to put similar holds on your contact info so that some clever scammer doesn't have your statements forwarded to Timbuktu, thus gaining them extra time to run amok and causing you even more grief. This isn't paranoia talking, it's experience.

    Here are the numbers.

    Credit Bureau Fraud Departments

    TransUnion
    Fraud Victim Assistance Department
    Phone: 800-680-7289

    Equifax
    Consumer Fraud Division
    Phone: 800-525-6285 or: 404-885-8000

    Experian
    Experian's National Consumer Assistance
    Phone: 888-397-3742
  • Terminology by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:13PM
  • Schools are really lax by ca1v1n (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:15PM
  • University of Florida by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:23PM
  • It is a bit of a necessary evil by christopher240240 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:35PM
  • SSN as ID Number by LostND80s (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:37PM
  • just an aggie reading the news... by dewhite (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:59PM
  • Gee, really? Hmm... by Viv (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @03:59PM
  • Part of the problem is ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Skapare (16644) on Thursday March 06 2003, @04:00PM (#5452249)
    (http://linuxhomepage.com/)

    Aside from the fact that the custodian of the information certainly has a lot to blame in this, there is another big part of the problem. That problem is what people can actually do with the information.

    An SSN is identity. It is nothing more than that. The problem is people make the incorrect assumption that it is authenticity (I can recite the number, or read it off a little card in my wallet, so it must be me), and authority (this account has your SSN and is overdrawn, so you are liable for it).

    If any law change is needed, it is a law change that says that it is illegal for an SSN to be accepted for any purpose other than identity. What that means is that if I walk into a bank and open an account citing some SSN, the bank needs to understand that all this does is identify someone, and not necessarily me. If the bank causes harm to the real owner of the SSN by having provided any derogatory credit information based on that SSN, then the bank shall be fully liable for having not taking reasonable measures to ensure accuracy of information. And by that, what I mean is that the bank can't simply say that the victim needs to track down the perpetrator to cover the costs. The banks need to be forced to properly authenticate the information they use, especially when and where it might be used in a negative way.

    And I don't mean to pick on banks (I just happen to have an open case with Chase Manhattan bank which continues to allow someone to operate a credit card account with my SSN, reported on my credit reports, without my consent, and after I have advised them of the fraud). Such a law should apply to anyone and everyone who accepts and uses SSN data for anything. It's the negative things that can be done (like bad credit info) that needs to be stopped (in addition to other stupidities like running computers insecurely and connecting systems to the internet that have no business being there).

  • Why would you want SS# of college students? by generic (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @04:18PM
  • Am I Affected? (Score:3, Informative)

    by AggieScott (456489) on Thursday March 06 2003, @04:36PM (#5452572)
    Is your SSN in the following ranges?

    * 449-31-98xx - 450-91-24xx
    * 451-12-32xx - 451-20-35xx
    * 451-20-64xx - 452-20-40xx

    If so, within these ranges, 55,200 people of the following types, including but not limited to:

    * Current students, faculty and staff
    * Former students, faculty and staff
    * Job applicants
    * Retirees

    may be affected.
  • Same thing at my College by skreuzer (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @04:42PM
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  • as a recent grad.. by fliptout (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @05:01PM
  • So, will they fix my credit? by harmonics (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @05:08PM
  • Is it merely coincidence... by lhbtubajon (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @05:17PM
  • Princeton's security breach ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by x-empt (127761) on Thursday March 06 2003, @05:18PM (#5453126)
    (http://www.ispep.cx/)
    Funny how this security breach at Princeton never got the media attention it deserved:

    http://www.ispep.cx/files/tucson.princeton.edu.txt [ispep.cx]

    Mod this up as Informative...
  • There's a lot of that going around lately by shutton (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @05:48PM
  • Not Unique by nfsilkey (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @05:59PM
  • UT dishonest about source of attack (Score:3, Interesting)

    by randomthought (89154) on Thursday March 06 2003, @06:37PM (#5453868)
    I stumbled on a UT site yesterday that had a number of exposed social security numbers, after reading an article [wired.com] in Wired about open Web enabled databases. The UT site now appears to be down, but you can see the Google cached version here [216.239.33.100]

    A click on the travel.fp3 file listed a couple hundred SSNs. It was completely wide open.

    UT made it sound like a deliberate attack, but it looks to me more like administrative incompetence (and cya).

  • Obvious question: Which O/S? by flacco (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @07:59PM
  • by Pulsar (4287) <champ77@hotGIRAF ... minus herbivore> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:11PM (#5455098)
    I'm a student at UT-Arlington, the next largest school in the UT System. Last October our Student Congress passed a resolution I wrote asking them to basically make it easier for students to be able to request to no longer use their Social Security Numbers as their ID # - UTA currently has a system in place where you can request to use a randomly generated ID# instead of your SSN, but no one knows about it and they don't advertise it or make it easy.

    The administration's response was "Come Summer 2005, when we have our new Student Information System, we won't use anyone's SSN" but that in the meantime, we're screwed because they weren't going to change anything.

    A month ago I discovered the 'secure' portion of the Housing department's website had been indexed by Google, including the ID # (Social Security Number) of all 1200+ residents living in the on-campus dorms. This highlighted the need for the immediate cessation of collecting and storing SSN's, so I've introduced a follow-up resolution our Student Congress is looking to pass soon basically demanding each department document every way they use SSN's and the security measures in place to protect them, after which we want a committee of students and faculty to go through the documentation and approve or deny their use and storage of the SSN's.

    Our school paper, The Shorthorn (www.theshorthorn.com [theshorthorn.com]) is supposed to do a story in tomorrow's (Friday's) issue concerning the leak at UT-Austin and the fact that administrators so far at UT-Arlington are ignoring the need to provide secyrity for SSN's NOW, and not just in 2005.

    It should be interesting to see if the administration has finally 'seen the light' and will listen to us, this time.

  • In their newswire [salon.com], Salon [salon.com] titled this story [salon.com], "Computer crackers steal students social security numbers."

    I thought the Slashdot community would appreciate Salon getting the terminology right on this one. It may seem like a silly point to some, but the distinction between "cracker" and "hacker" is huge in my mind, and it always makes me happy to see a journalistic outlet get it right, for a change.
  • Update by nfsilkey (Score:1) Friday March 07 2003, @12:15AM
  • But was it actually theft? by The Panther! (Score:2) Friday March 07 2003, @01:05AM
  • Social Security Number. Required in the USA for tax purposes and for receving social security benefits.
    [ Parent ]
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