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Spyware in Kazaa, Limewire, Grokster
Posted by
michael
on Sat Jan 05, 2002 06:01 PM
from the comp.risks dept.
from the comp.risks dept.
BigMacMike writes: "The San Francisco Chronicle (via the sfgate.com website) has a story that Kazaa, LimeWire, and others have secretly hidden software in their applications that track users' browsing habits." Not the first time. The corporate response is that they literally didn't know what was in these secondary applications that they were providing to be downloaded and installed alongside their primary program. Believe it if you wish.
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If the information was they collect was useless... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Mac versions (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Double Edged Sword... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is frighteningly similar to the arguement that if you have nothing to hide, why, you won't mind the police searching your house. Its not the fact that I'm trying to hide something, I just feel that its an intrustion of my privacy when programs report my activities to a third party.
What makes you think they only log downloads? (Score:5, Informative)
What bothered me in particular about this approach is that I know a few websites that log users in with their pasword in the URL (Slashdot is one of them) and I wondered exactly how many of my passwords and userIDs had been sent to webHancer over the past weeks I had it unknowingly running on my machine. Of course, I quickly ran Ad-Aware [lavasoftusa.com] on my machine and changed all my online passwords.
PS: The offending application that installed this spyware was AudioGalaxy [audiogalaxy.com].
You installed that spyware. (Score:5, Insightful)
1. tells you what webHancer is
2. tells you what webHancer does
3. asks you if you want to install audiogalaxy with or without it.
I've installed audiogalaxy several times, and all you have to do is uncheck the check box. But most people click "Next" without even reading the dialogs.
You consented to it. That doesn't make it spyware, it makes it ignorantware.
wow... now i feel kinda bad... (Score:5, Funny)
hope limewire doesn't sell this info to my girlfriend...
"honey, this jenna jameson person has alot of stuff on your computer, do you work with her?"
Re:morpheus (Score:4, Informative)
add this to your "hosts" file
127.0.0.1 ads.musiccity.com
(if you don't know where that is do a find hosts, it is somewhere in your windows directory. Morpheus will no longer pop up any ads
C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts (Score:4, Informative)
127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com
127.0.0.1 ads.musiccity.com
127.0.0.1 207-87-18-203.wsmg.digex.net
127.0.0.1 Garden.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 Ogilvy.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 ResponseMedia-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 Suissa-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 UGO.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 VNU.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 a32.g.a.yimg.com
127.0.0.1 ad-adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 ad.adsmart.net
127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.linkexchange.com
127.0.0.1 ad.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 ad.sma.punto.net
127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ad.webprovider.com
127.0.0.1 ad08.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 adcontroller.unicast.com
127.0.0.1 adcreatives.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 adex3.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 adforce.ads.imgis.com
127.0.0.1 adforce.imgis.com
127.0.0.1 adfu.blockstackers.com
127.0.0.1 adimage.blm.net
127.0.0.1 adimages.earthweb.com
127.0.0.1 adimg.egroups.com
127.0.0.1 admedia.xoom.com
127.0.0.1 adpick.switchboard.com
127.0.0.1 adremote.pathfinder.com
127.0.0.1 ads.admaximize.com
127.0.0.1 ads.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 ads.clickhouse.com
127.0.0.1 ads.enliven.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.fool.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.hollywood.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.jwtt3.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.madison.com
127.0.0.1 ads.mediaodyssey.com
127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ninemsn.com.au
127.0.0.1 ads.seattletimes.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.sptimes.com
127.0.0.1 ads.tripod.com
127.0.0.1 ads.web.aol.com
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127.0.0.1 ads.xtra.co.nz
127.0.0.1 ads.zdnet.com
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127.0.0.1 ads06.focalink.com
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127.0.0.1 ads1.activeagent.at
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127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com
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127.0.0.1 ads22.focalink.com
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127.0.0.1 ads5.gamecity.net
127.0.0.1 adserv.iafrica.com
127.0.0.1 adserv.quality-channel.de
127.0.0.1 adserver.dbusiness.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.garden.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.janes.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.merc.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.monster.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.track-star.com
127.0.0.1 adserver1.ogilvy-interactive.de
127.0.0.1 adtegrity.spinbox.net
127.0.0.1 antfarm-ad.flycast.com
127.0.0.1 au.ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 banner.media-system.de
127.0.0.1 banner.orb.net
127.0.0.1 banner.relcom.ru
127.0.0.1 banners.easydns.com
127.0.0.1 banners.looksmart.com
127.0.0.1 banners.wunderground.com
127.0.0.1 barnesandnoble.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 beseenad.looksmart.com
127.0.0.1 bizad.nikkeibp.co.jp
127.0.0.1 bn.bfast.com
127.0.0.1 c3.xxxcounter.com
127.0.0.1 califia.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 cds.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 click.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 click.go2net.com
127.0.0.1 click.linksynergy.com
127.0.0.1 cookies.cmpnet.com
127.0.0.1 cornflakes.pathfinder.com
127.0.0.1 counter.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 crux.songline.com
127.0.0.1 erie.smartage.com
127.0.0.1 etad.telegraph.co.uk
127.0.0.1 fp.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 gadgeteer.pdamart.com
127.0.0.1 gm.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 gp.dejanews.com
127.0.0.1 hg1.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 image.click2net.com
127.0.0.1 image.eimg.com
127.0.0.1 images2.nytimes.com
127.0.0.1 jobkeys.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 kansas.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 leader.linkexchange.com
127.0.0.1 liquidad.narrowcastmedia.com
127.0.0.1 ln.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net
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127.0.0.1 maximumpcads.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 media.preferences.com
127.0.0.1 mercury.rmuk.co.uk
127.0.0.1 mojofarm.sjc.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 nbc.adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 newads.cmpnet.com
127.0.0.1 ng3.ads.warnerbros.com
127.0.0.1 ngads.smartage.com
127.0.0.1 nsads.hotwired.com
127.0.0.1 ntbanner.digitalriver.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad05.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad07.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad16.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad17.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 ph-ad18.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 realads.realmedia.com
127.0.0.1 redherring.ngadcenter.net
127.0.0.1 redirect.click2net.com
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127.0.0.1 s2.focalink.com
127.0.0.1 sh4sure-images.adbureau.net
127.0.0.1 spin.spinbox.net
127.0.0.1 static.admaximize.com
127.0.0.1 stats.superstats.com
127.0.0.1 sview.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 thinknyc.eu-adcenter.net
127.0.0.1 tracker.clicktrade.com
127.0.0.1 tsms-ad.tsms.com
127.0.0.1 v0.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 v1.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 van.ads.link4ads.com
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127.0.0.1 view.avenuea.com
127.0.0.1 w113.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 w25.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 web2.deja.com
127.0.0.1 webads.bizservers.com
127.0.0.1 www.admex.com
127.0.0.1 www.alladvantage.com
127.0.0.1 www.commission-junction.com
127.0.0.1 www.freestats.com
127.0.0.1 www.imaginemedia.com
127.0.0.1 www.netdirect.nl
127.0.0.1 www.oneandonlynetwork.com
127.0.0.1 www.targetshop.com
127.0.0.1 www.teknosurf2.com
127.0.0.1 www.teknosurf3.com
127.0.0.1 www.websitefinancing.com
127.0.0.1 www2.burstnet.com
127.0.0.1 www4.trix.net
127.0.0.1 www80.valueclick.com
127.0.0.1 z.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 z0.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 z1.extreme-dm.com
127.0.0.1 toolbar.netscape.com
127.0.0.1 actionsplash.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ads.belointeractive.com
127.0.0.1 ads.bluefish.com
127.0.0.1 ads.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 ads.inet.com
127.0.0.1 ads.inet1.com
127.0.0.1 ads.intelliads.com
127.0.0.1 ads.realcities.com
127.0.0.1 ads.ucomics.com
127.0.0.1 adserver.matchcraft.com
127.0.0.1 adserver1.harvestadsdepot.com
127.0.0.1 ads1.intelliads.com
127.0.0.1 cj.com
127.0.0.1 clickhereforcellphones.com
172.0.0.1 clickheretofind.com
127.0.0.1 clickthrutraffic.com
127.0.0.1 connect.247media.ads.link4ads.com
127.0.0.1 content.uclick.com
127.0.0.1 hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 kr123.com
127.0.0.1 qksrv.net
172.0.0.1 rmedia.boston.com
127.0.0.1 servedby.advertising.com
127.0.0.1 www.actionsplash.com
127.0.0.1 www.clickhereforcellphones.com
127.0.0.1 www.clickheretofind.com
127.0.0.1 www.clickthrutraffic.com
127.0.0.1 www.cj.com
127.0.0.1 www.kr123.com
127.0.0.1 www.qksrv.net
127.0.0.1 w26.hitbox.com
127.0.0.1 ads.nextlevel.com
As if We Didn't know already (Score:3, Informative)
Zonealarm shows it's doing funky stuff.
The solution to this is: don't use them. Or, use a version of them that doesn't have the spyware. Limewire version 1.3 is a little slower but doens't have ads or spyware (but 1.7+ does).
-- Kevin
Death Knell for Closed Source Software (Score:3, Interesting)
IMO, spyware is the single issue that is going to weigh heaviest in the scales in the eventual switch of businesses (and sensible users) from CSS to OSS.
It's a real shame, though, that most businesses can't seem to see any value in the internet beyond collecting data about consumers.
BearShare (Score:5, Interesting)
first being Onflow Media Player... it is a Flash-like browser plug-in which displays animations and transmits user behavior information (not further specified) to the Onflow central servers.
second being SaveNow... SaveNow displays context-related shopping pop-up windows in IE... the context information seems to reside on the client side so that no information has to be transmitted to the central server
third being New.net, which is an alternative Domain Name Service which allows you to connect to TLDs like
not to mention all of these programs have silent auto-updates...
why can't we all just use FreeNet?
FreeNet (Score:4, Funny)
Re:originally called a trojan (Score:5, Interesting)
LINKS: - the register article [theregister.co.uk]
zdnet on the trojan [zdnet.com]
symantec listing the file as a trojan [symantec.com]
get rid of all spy ware (Score:5, Informative)
Re:get rid of all spy ware (Score:4, Insightful)
Suppose HP (who is advertising here right now, by the looks of it) is looking to advertise on the net - if the spyware data they buy shows that Slashdot, for example, is hardly even notable on the top spyware list, would this not be detrimental to Slashdot's (or rather VA's) efforts to make a buck off advertising, and in particular directed advertising? Advertisements that are possibly better directed to Slashdot may go to PC Magazine (for lack of a more appropriate choice) or other "mainstream" service.
Of course, when advertising a car, Slashdot is hardly well-directed advertising and is oft notably a selection of people most fortunate technically, but there is probably a clear area where the technically inclined can find better content on any topic over the internet that spyware would never reveal statistically.
A few things (Score:3, Informative)
Fucking Bonzai Buddy
I swear that fucker resides in the MBR it is such a pain to get rid of. Once it is gone, windows is unstable (yeah, yah troll on, 2k is damn stable before this shit is installed)
Second, the exec lies thru his teeth.
And the clicktilluwin "not do anything until activated" motto is pure bullshit, this thing starts sending data from the moment it is installed beside limewire.
Of course, http://www.lavasoftusa.com/index.html is an awesome prog - ad aware lets you know what shit you have on your system and then removes it usually quite effectively. To be honest, shit like this might actually be a good arguement for open source, how many "features" are installed in popular programs that we have no idea of - i.e. they have been integrated into the program. Its also a really fucking good arguement for using opera (BTW, you know
One last thought: Clicktilluwin
It was classified as a trojan horse, because that is what it is - think of this - if the av manufacuters bent over a desk for these fuckers (declassifying this "program" as a trojan), you think that they would protect you from the FBI?!?!!?
Shit, if the threat of a lawsuit is all it takes, someone could make a virus, sue all the av companies that made solutions, and then sell "protection"...
Re:How can you tell if it's installed? (Score:4, Informative)
You can also do as The Register's oft-quoted article suggests: [theregister.co.uk]
Those who prefer to see to their own Trojan removal need only search for a hidden directory under their \Windows directory called \Explorer. Simply delete the \Windows\Explorer directory, along with the companion file Dlder.exe in the \Windows directory.
Kazaa has it big time... (Score:5, Informative)
It scans Registry, cookies, files, dlls, and it found the Kazaa backdoor installed in my system. Usually when you put a software you can remove it's tracking bugware and the main software will still run (I remember posting an article here over a year ago about bearshare having that same type of crap that Kazaa is using right now but it got rejected). What's interresting about Kazaa is if you remove the offending DLL (which is Cydoor bugtracking stuff), Kazaa won't start anymore, this really shows how BAD they want to track your moves.
While I don't have anything against software companies making a buck by selling tracked info, I do have something against companies being hypocritical about it. When you install Kazaa, it offers you a lot of "free stuff" that any above average users knows that it means advertising stuff, spamming and tracking. This is okay in my book at LEAST it's part of the installer and if you don't know and say yes, well that becomes your problem. What I find really hypocritical is i've unselected EVERYTHING exept "Kazaa needed files" and it STILL installed that bugware thing, and it's not mentionned anywhere CLEARLY in the installer. People get pissed at microsoft activation process which is clear, known and way less intrusive than that, but they let that pass in exchange of leeching free MP3, vids, p0rn and warez. If one day the big suppliers of content on that services have an FBI raid at their places, they'll scream justice and claim that FBI couldn't use the informatin that Kazaa was getting from them because it's not constitutionnal. Well I'd say, make up your mind, if you want P2P and privacy, go to some other service, an example, Download winMX, run Ad-aware in case there's anything installed with the newer versions, and it will probably still run after the cleaning process (I use winMX I love it). Don't support crooks like Kazaa and bearshare that are trying to look friendly, on your side, and pro this and that, while they turn around and sell your browsing habbits without your knowledge.
Also, notice when you're not uploading or downloading, but kazaa is running.. your drive burps every 5 seconds.... I'm still trying to figure out why.. it doesn't stop even after an hour.. it's not "windows-typical" drive burping.
Anyways... hope that helps anyone out there.
Re:Kazaa has it big time... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Kazaa has it big time... (Score:4, Informative)
I don't use spyware, so I never installed Kazaa, so I can't help you. But I'm curious, too. (I hate advertisers, and anything that threatens to kick over the rocks under which they grow is k00l by me ;)
So try a utility like this one: Sysinternals' filemon.exe [sysinternals.com]
Could be as innocent as your swap file, 'cuz some Windoze proggies leak memory like sieves. Could be something less-than-innocent. Let us know!
It's ClickTillUWin (Score:5, Informative)
Some Good Advice, Again.... (Score:3, Informative)
The old sage about not installing software from unknown sources applies more than ever, I don't know who these people are, but from reports I've seen and heard I wouldn't even consider installing them.
. If I do download software and install it (it inevitable) I scan the download for viruses and trojans, backup my registry, install it and then run Ad-Aware [lavasoftusa.com]. If Ad-Aware detects anything from the program, i uninstall the sucker. Then I reboot and run the old registry as well.
SaveNow Must Die! (Score:5, Insightful)
The lost of privacy was bad enough, but SaveNow seems to work by hooking into Windows Explorer and intercepting a great many application events. For a long time I blammed the resulting performance hit on a combination of my own excessive system tweaking, buggy Explorer plugins, and MS software bloat. It wasn't until Explorer froze up totally that I realized some background process was interfering with it, and found the culprit by process of elimination.
It strikes me that this is not very different from activities that have gotten people sued [slashdot.org] or even arrested [slashdot.org]. It's all there -- unauthorized access, theft of services, malicious action. Perhaps it's time we gave Mister Ashcroft [slashdot.org] a call!
More information. (Score:3, Informative)
Grokster and possible trojan [securityfocus.com]
Clicktilluwin DLDER Trojan" [securityfocus.com]
Google Toolbar is spyware (Score:3)
Also, I started using Tiny [tinysoftware.com] firewall and started to block alot of software. Couple things I noticed, alot of m$ software trys to talk to the net. Office, Explorer, Windows Networking (not plain tcp/ip), m$ hardware drivers for mouse and keyboard, media player.
Also using a firewall stopped alot of freeware programs that grabs ad's worked great, they just couldnt get the banner ads or talk to the net.
We also use firewall software on our Sun production boxes we use EFS, encyrpted firewall software. It has a nice ACL list you can really lock down traffic. Only open port 80 for web traffic, and only to the load balancers, only allow SSH on the control network. Sometimes while your putting in a new network, the firewall ruleset is very basic, locking down the boxes help add a some security, and everything is logged to a logging server.
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I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. - Johnny Carson
What address do these trojans contact? (Score:3, Informative)
Here is a comprehensive Hosts File that blocks em (Score:5, Informative)
There _IS_ a opensource gnutella client for win32 (Score:3, Informative)
Second is, I sure wonder how Gnucleus ( http://www.gnucleus.com ) which is a full open source program works perfectly on win32 platform isn't mentioned on messages.
The coder guy(s) say now it has even multi-source downloading, just like fasttrack.
There is also another problem, as those programs are closed source, how come they won't have _native_ spying? e.g. Morpheus sending current URL of IE easily from urlmon.dll to that dutch company? I mean, anyone checked it yet?
How it works (the real facts) (Score:5, Informative)
"F-Secure Virus Descriptions
NAME: DlDer
ALIAS: Trojan.Win32.DlDer, Troj_DlDer
This two-component trojan was discovered in the end of December 2001. The trojan being installed on a user's system constantly upgrades its main component that connects to 2001-007.com website and reports user's ID, web browser a user is using and all URLs that a web browser and all its child windows open. The trojan violates user's privacy and opens a security hole in a system by downloading and activating executable files.
The main component of the trojan is Explorer.exe file that is located in Windows folder in \Explorer\ subfolder (do not mix with the original Windows' Explorer.exe). This component is constantly upgraded by the second trojan component that has the name 'DlDer.exe' and is located in Windows folder.
The DlDer.exe file is most likely dropped to user's system by ActiveX applet or Javascript code that a user doesn't notice when he is browsing Internet. The exact way how this file is dropped is not yet known. The case is under investigation.
The DlDer.exe file when it is started downloads Explorer.exe file from a website and puts it to \Windows\Explorer\ folder. Then the trojan creates a startup key for Explorer.exe file. On next System restart the Explorer.exe file is activated and it creates a startup key for DlDer.exe file and starts to connect to 2001-007.com website and report user's ID, web browser and all URLs that a user visits to there.
We recommend to delete both trojan components from an infected system. If these components can't be deleted (locked files) they should be deleted from pure DOS (in case of Windows 9x system) or renamed with different extensions (EXA for example) with immediate system restart (in case of Windows NT/2000/XP system).
[F-Secure Anti-Virus Research Team, December 28th, 2001]"
Now some links
Astechnica Forum - "Is download.com infected with a virus???" [infopop.net]
Arstechnica Forum - "explorer.exe and Explorer.exe" [infopop.net]
Computing.Net Forum - "How to delete trojan in explorer.exe" [computing.net]
Gnutella Forum - "p2p Trojan info" [gnutelliums.com]