"Followed by straight statements, undisguised as questions, like "People like to say Apple is declining, but there really isn't any financial indication this is so"."
Do you have a problem with people stating things? Both Statements and Questions are often used in discussions. It helps elucidate where someone is coming from and lets others know what they think and what the reasoning behind their statements and questions is. It is called discussion. Language after all is the mechanism we communicate with.
"So your post to which I originally replied did not come across as a question at all and was full of statements made in the forms of explicit statements or questions."
Who says I need to account for how you interpret something. I cannot account for how everyone will interpret what I say nor should anyone really. Perhaps you didn't like what I was saying, perhaps you were skimming and didn't really pick up on what I said correctly, perhaps you disapprove of my statements/questions. I cannot say which of those things is true, but the form in which the words were delivered, regardless of being a statement, or a question was pertinent and directly replying to what others were posting. i.e. appropriate application of language to elicit elaboration of the poster's statements.
"In short, no, you cannot pretend you were asking a question."
I was not pretending. I was asking questions. I was making statements. That is what a person does when engaging in dialog.
"If you actually just asked a question to the commenter, you would have let the question remain wide open, but you are not correct in retrospective conversion of your own post as a question."
As much as I appreciate you efforts to police my questions, statements, or comment, I will say this:
1) The OP made a statement.
2) I responded with a question
3) Another poster chimed in.
4) I responded with a bunch of statements
5) The same poster brought up Blackberry in response to my statements
6) I asked more questions and made some more statements
7) You chimed in with your bit about negative marketshare and an offhand assessment of my imagination.
8).and I have been replying to what you have been saying in the best way I can since.
It has been an interesting and fruitful conversation for me at least even if we don't seem to be agreeing on things.
Proof ?
"[on multiplying marketshare by the number -1 to achieve negative marketshare]
1. It is true.2. Proof that unqualified downward slide need not mean financial woes, or any woes in general. "
Multiplying Marketshare by -1 and calling it negative marktshare when there is no such thing is a illogical. You cannot arbitrarily multiply something such as -1 and marketshare of 35% for example and say it signifies anything other than the mere calculation you performed. By creating this calculation there is no formation of a deductive relationship with with the financial woes or non-woes. The calculation by itself is not connected to anything.
There is no actual purpose or tie-in in terms of anything economic for merely selecting a random number [any economic marketshare] and multiplying it by -1. So although -1 x .35= -.35 is mathematically correct, you cannot extrapolate this mathematical proof and say anything other than I chose to randomly multiply these two numbers.
Your use of the word proof seems flippant at best to me.
Your "negative marketplace calculation" says nothing about upward or downward slide. It doesn't say anything in terms of the economic condition of the company. Hence it is a meaningless exercise in my view. Not a proof in other words.
"Remember you were asking people for evidence of Apple's financial woes when they said Apple was on a downward slide?"
Yes evidence that has relevance in actual market or economic terms. If someone detects a downward slide I would like to know what metrics they are using to make such a statement.
Such things as supply chain interruptions, profit margin decreases, increased sales competition, rising costs, future sales projections, market saturation, decreasing market share, or even the negative market share/customer satisfaction interaction and etc. These are some of the metrics someone would logically use discuss downward slide of a company. These are the things I expect people making statements about companies to talk about.
"2. Proof that unqualified downward slide need not mean financial woes, or any woes in general"
I for one never said an unqualified slide means financial woes or woes in general. By my question I was asking about what metrics the OP are basing their statements of an Apple slide on. The person who originally said Apple is on a downward slide may or may not believe Apple has financial woes. It was this I was trying to get at when I asked the OP my question. My suspicion is that the OP was saying in the statement that it is the beginning of Apple following the natural path of companies like Blackberry. I don't currently see evidence for it, but the OP might have other information especially about their own thoughts.
"No. Profit and loss are definitely aspects of (slides of) Apple. If downward slide is of profits, it is by definition, an upward slide of losses. Losses could be negative in a particular instance, but unquestionably, slides of profits and losses must be in the opposite directions. Hence all aspects, which include both profit and loss, cannot have a downward slide. QED."
The "all aspects" you speak of although interesting for you don't really address the type of information I am seeking from the OP or subsequent posters. Your "all aspects" is a nice mechanism for once more injecting a concept to setup your own scenario that hamstrings conversation I suppose. I doubt your definition 'Apple on a downhill slide' dovetails with that of the OP. It could, but I doubt it.
For one, I don't recall the OP or anyone qualifying Apples slide with "all aspects" including profit and loss. You have set up a tidy scenario where definitionally a downward slide of Apple cannot exist. Interesting and impressive mental gymnastics. Not certain what the point is though.
Now where were we. Oh yeah the downward slide of Apple the OP was talking about and not your version of a downward slide.
It would be nice to know what metrics the OP was referring to.
It would equally be nice to know what the other poster was meaning by comparing Apple to Blackberry which is definitively on a "downhill slide". Most 'aspects' of Blackberry are trending poorly as it slides progressively downhill. Profits down, marketshare down, negative revenue growth, negative earnings growth, market penetration in decline ouch.
But hey.. luckily for them, one aspect out of "all their aspects" is decidedly positive!!!! Their losses are on an upward slide!!!!????