Let's just gloss over Haredi Judaism, specifically the Edah HaChareidis and the Neturei Karta. Wasn't there this massive protest just recently in Jerusalem with the number of participants as reported by Israeli media between 250,000 and 400,000? I seem to recall placards which read something along the lines of 'You created the problem by creating a state, don't ask/expect us to fix it by joining the IDF'. There are several Heredi Jewish sects who believe that when the time comes, God will grant them a state without any mortal effort and without any need to take up arms, they also seem to blame the state of Israel for an exponential increase in anti-Semitism and finally and most importantly, they seem to have a massive problem with a state called Israel since they believe that the People of Israel are not allowed a state until the chosen time and the current state gained through force is a blasphemy against the Creator. What did I miss?

So basically what you're saying in the second paragraph of your post is that the Muslims should convert to Judaism and while doing so, they should embrace what the Zionist faction deems correct (ignoring the Orthodox teachings since those are useless) otherwise they deserve to be massacred to cleanse the Holy Promised Land? I think we ought to stop here, you are a religious fanatic, sometimes referred to as an extremist/terrorist...Once the extremist Muslims (who, by the way, also want everyone to convert to their interpretation of the religion they claim to be followers of) and people like you have wiped each other out, maybe the rest of us will enjoy some peace. Here's to hoping you don't end up dragging the rest of us into one of your holy crusades

The Greek background of the Philistines is irrelevant as the Philistines had already settled the area before the first arrival of the Israelites under the leadership of Terah, the father of Abraham. Also, it would appear that you are going with scripture. While I agree that going by religious scriptures, the lands were granted to the Israelites by God in a covenant, in Christian and Islamic scriptures it is said that the Israelites broke the covenant and hence the lands were taken away from them (murdering Prophets, I believe, was against the terms of the covenant and while Islamic scripture states that Jesus was not murdered and was instead taken to heaven, there were other Prophets who were slain. References: From the Bible; Jeremiah 2: 29 - 30, Nehemiah 9: 26, Matthew 23: 31 - 36, Matthew 23: 37, Well known Prophets slain by the Israelites mentioned in the Bible include Zechariah, John the Baptist and Uriah. From the Quran: Al-Baqarah 2: 87). So yes, from the looks of it, God did take the promised land away, if you think this is just a Christian or Muslim tradition, ask some Orthodox Jewish scholars.

Also, saying that the state of Israel has a right to Canaan based on religious scripture (which presumably entails the right to create an aparthied state and kill civilians) is exactly the same as what extremist Islamic factions claim, that they are fulfilling a covenant placed upon them by God to bring Islam to all corners of the world (even if it entails creating aparthied states where the 'non-believers' are second class citizens and killing civilians). Just waving your hands to dismiss the similarities won't do, explain exactly how one group is classified as a bunch of lunatic terrorists (I have no qualms agreeing with this notion) while the other can claim the moral high ground, both groups are going by interpretations of scripture they believe in and committing the same atrocities against humanity.

When one lacks arguments to support their point of view except rhetoric that talking heads on the likes of Fox News spew, they usually stoop to slinging abuse and insults at the people they're arguing with hoping to get an emotional reaction, that seems to be what you're trying to accomplish here.

Also, I think you just proved my point that Israel is using the suffering of the Jews, both past and present, as a shield to protect itself from criticism over unsavory policies that would have landed any other nation in a world of pain (through economic sanctions at the very least).

Oh and could you be kind enough as to explain to everyone how your extreme views are any different to the views extremist Muslims are renowned for? In case you are too thick to understand what I refer to, you seem to claim that Israel bombing and killing civilians from kids to the elderly is perfectly justified in order for Israel to achieve its objectives, that is exactly the view spewed by extremist factions claiming to adhere to Islam and since those factions are (justifiably) identified as terrorists, why should any sane person apply a different criteria to you or to the state of Israel?

I have read plenty of history, if you were referring to historical events and in your view the state of Israel has legitimacy based on the fact that the Israelites were in Canaan in the olden days, lets not forget that the Philistines were there before the Israelites migrated to Canaan from the Babylonian city of Ur during Hamurabi's reign before eventually migrating on to Egypt and then subsequently returning to the region and settling there permanently. Also, if we are going to draw national borders based on what the world was like back in 12th century BC, I think there would be quite a few problems. If, otoh, you meant the promised land as mentioned in religious scripture and the state of Israel has legitimacy based on that, I would like to ask once again, how is that different from the world view Islamic extremist factions espouse? If it was neither of these two possibilities, please educate everyone else.

Whatever connection you see fit regardless of its lack of any relationship to reality? That is a very eloquent way of saying that you'll be a prat and no one can do a thing about it, kudos (on finding an eloquent way to get that particular point across), whatever floats your boat...

"Samsung Buys Kickstarter, Funds \"Internet of things\" Startup", there, fixed that for you, you're welcome

Pray tell, where did the story mention anything about Judaism, the religion or Jews, the people adhering to that religion? Stop implying that Israel and Jews are synonymous, they're not. By spreading this fud and shouting anti-Semitism (figuratively speaking) every time someone criticises the policies/actions of the state of Israel, all you accomplish is dilute the term 'anti-Semitism'. Anti-Semitism is a real problem and if one believes recent surveys, it seems to be on the rise in Europe...but of course, using the Jewish people and their past/present suffering as a shield against criticism is a policy that has served Israel well and if it means that it will cause more problems for the Jewish people, its just more amo for the propaganda machine...

Socialism seems to be working just fine in all the social democracies...

Friendly fire Jeremiah -.-

Rachel Aliene Corrie from Olympia, Washington, was an American peace activist and diarist. She was killed by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) armored bulldozer in a combat zone in Rafah, in the southern part of the Gaza Strip. She had come to Gaza as part of her senior-year college assignment to connect her home town with Rafah in a sister cities project. While there, she had engaged with other ISM activists in efforts to prevent the Israeli army's demolition of the homes of Palestinian people (allegedly to eliminate tunnels used by terrorists to smuggle weapons from Egypt into Gaza).

Less than two months after her arrival, on March 16, 2003, Corrie was killed during an Israeli military operation after a three-hour confrontation between two bulldozers and eight ISM activists.

The exact nature of her death and the culpability of the bulldozer operator are disputed, with fellow ISM protestors saying that the Israeli soldier operating the bulldozer deliberately ran over Corrie, and Israeli government eyewitnesses saying that it was an accident since the bulldozer operator could not see her [sic].

No action was taken by the IDF against the soldier driving the armored bulldozer.

I an pretty certain that the only reason the world knows of this atrocity is because Rachel (may she rest in peace) was an American citizen. If it were a Palestinian family, they'd just have been just another group of numbers, terror sympathizers killed while Israel was trying to protect the peace.

With allies like Israel, who needs enemies? (Does anyone remember Rachel Corrie?)

Shouldn't killing Iranian nuclear scientists and rather proudly proclaiming responsibility for the assassination count as terrorism? Just curious

What other side? Most of the areas claimed for the State of Palestine have been occupied by Israel since 1967 in the aftermath of the Six-Day War, with the Palestinian Authority exercising socio-political administration since 1993 in limited areas (read concentration camps). Despite several dozen UN resolutions demanding the creation of the state of Palestine as a matter of urgency, each single one of those resolutions has been ignored by Israel and instead of returning the areas that technically belong to the state of Palestine, more settlements are created each year, no wonder the Palestinians fire rockets at them. Also, how does the American government justify/demand the imposition of sanctions against any other state when they veto any proposed sanctions against Israel for violating/disregarding UN resolutions is beyond me.

If i remember correctly, in one of the previous conflicts, IDF troops actually did what you described in your hypothetical example (I believe it was a toddler/teenager who'd thrown a stone at a tank) so IMHO, as poorer your own example Israel I'd the war criminal

Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, laptop would regularly take 10-15 minutes to restart or shutdown, the fingerprint reader locked me on the login screen in a way that I couldn't even login using my password so had to restart with the power button, the hard disk and processor usage when the system was idle would suddenly jump to 90%+ for extended periods of time (especially problematic if on battery), WiDi dropped dead and several other 'improvements'.

After restarting the laptop for a gazillion times (which took 10 to 15 minutes each), I managed to update all the drivers but sadly WiDi and the fingerprint reader were still not working and the disk and processor usage would still jump to around 90%+ if the system was left idle for around a minute so I've had to switch off any form of background maintenance tasks the OS might perform.

I must admin though, despite thousands of posts in forums, HP and MS support staff are still extremely polite and paste the same solution in response to pretty much every problem: "run teh virus scanner and if there are any viruses, remove them", if no viruses are found and the person seeking support is persistent enough: "Update teh drivers", updated drivers: "... ... ... [crickets]", so much better than the OPs experience

Jews: Can we stay here? We're kind of being exterminated* at home.
Arabs: No.
Jews: Umm...okay. We'll stay anyway.

Errrmmm I think that's where the problem began, everything after this point is irrelevant as the local population made it abundantly clear that they did not want an outside group settling in their land but the said foreign group decided to settle there anyway...

In more recent history (1997 or 1998 I believe), the Hazara genocide in Mazar Sharif, Afghanistan by the Taliban was amongst the worst genocides post the Holocaust. If hundreds of thousands Hazara survivors from all over Afghanistan decided to pack their bags, get on boats and attempt to settle in say, Australia or America, what exactly would the reaction of the local populations be? I highly doubt the said local populations would welcome these 'invaders' with open arms and garlands just because they were kinda being exterminated in their own lands...Also, bear in mind that in this particular case, the Americans were mostly responsible for creating the Taliban and arming and training them with the aid of Pakistan. The goal (which was accomplished) was to bring the U.S.S.R. to her knees whereas the Palestines had absolutely no part to play in the creation of the Nazi party.

Tsk a typo... that was change antagonistic that swipe keyboard changed to agnostic... But go on... Lacking any genuine retorts, resort to latching on to one word and prove that besides lacking any reading comprehension skills, you also lack any common sense whatsoever...

Also, it would seem that you learned a new word thanks to that typo, good for you

Errmmm I don't really see evil in anyone's face, I always thought that was just a construct for visual media...although when someone opens their gob and nothing but shit falls out, I do assume that they are not terribly gifted in intelligence...let me say it slowly, I Am Talking About You, You Gormless Old Fool

My apologies, I never realized we were on comedy central, douchebag

Hahahaaa or maybe your insults were a bit too stale, shit that was thrown around by 10 year olds when they wanted to sound tough...

Whoop whoop, you took my advice and are now oozing back to whareever it was that you'd oozed from...I am sorry but I have to ask for another favour, kindly stay there from now on, the world will be a better place without a sourpuss such as yourself...

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i.Kazmi