Oh, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was being malicious. Unwise, perhaps.

Most of us call a mere 14,000 hits, even on a tiny VM, another day at the office. It really doesn't cost much to do a whois and send a quick log extract to the relevant abuse contact (if it's even in the top 10 offenders).

Loser pays is dangerous in civil suits where a small entity sues a large entity. Even the most meritorious case can be lost.

In criminal cases, the prosecutor's office should be on the hook when the defendant isn't found guilty. Not just for legal fees, but for restitution for time spent incarcerated, loss of employment (if that happens), other consequential damages (eviction, missed payments, etc) and publicity to make it well known the defendant was not guilty.

My main assertion is that many forks are done with good intentions. This new fork, on the other hand, is not necessarily based on the best motivations.

Uselessd addresses not only the packaging but the excessively tight coupling of components.

The fact that a small team could make such substantial changes shows that it really is a lack of maturity in the design/implementation of systemd.

On the one hand, forking is what drives Free Software. It allows us to innovate, adapt software to new needs, etc. Without it, the FOSS community would not be as strong as it is.

On the other hand, Debian's board took a vote, and the anti-systemd people lost. Democracy happened. Democracy is good. Those people who created this fork are a bunch of malcontents that are whining because they didn't get their way. This isn't a "downstream branch" like Ubuntu, which strengthens the community by sending patches upstream. This is breaking up of a strong community, and it's now going to be inherently weaker.

That's actually dead simple to do. Most already have one that's been stable for years.

AMD is completely out of the game and the thrust of their current design work seems to have entirely ceded low power x86 to Intel in favor of better performing hybrid CPU/GPU products.

The complaint by the anti-systemd crowd is that the systemd crowd is actively promoting things becoming dependent on systemd. It's not that they can't maintain a systemd free distro, it's just that nobody wants to spend all of their time undoing the work of the village idiot. You must have missed the articles about organizing a Debian fork. Or the whole uselessd thing. If systemd would just keep their fingers out of everyone else's pie, nobody would much care what they do or don't do.

I have fixed the btrfs/systemd problem. I gave systemd the boot and now the VM just works.

It is actually kinda funny to me after hearing all the systemd can do anything! systemd is great, all hail systemd cheerleading not to mention the excessive delight of some of the fans that people might have problems avoiding it and then a really simple problem comes up and literally the whole community is stumped. Not just a little stumped, they actually have no idea how to handle the situation even in principle. Meanwhile, going back to sysvinit fixed it right up.

I have validated a systemd-less solution that should be good for a few years at least.

I already indicated I would simply not use systemd, I don't know why you keep telling me to do what I have indicated I am already doing.

I don't suppose you could toss me one of those links you found where the problem is actually solved, could you? I do like keeping options open...

All of the ones I saw consisted of a bunch of people shrugging and wondering what the proper way is to handle it might be.

My sister used to raise her own turkeys. Up close they looked like something from a paleontology textbook, but they were still good-natured, very curious creatures. They would always come up to you and inspect you, talking all the time. Maybe they were just demanding food. Dunno.

They ate good stuff, they had a big enough pen that they could run around to their heart's content, they were basically happy turkeys. And it showed: they had a wonderful flavour and a nice texture.

...laura

That's because they don't properly trim trees, they hack off whatever might be near the lines. If they would actually trim the trees so they don't look like the crippled survivors of a war, people wouldn't gripe.

There are a couple trees near me that they 'trimmed' such that they will almost inevitably fall over onto the road sooner or later. That's what happens when you cut all the branches off of one side. It's a classic "somebody else's problem now" sort of 'solution'