Good woman then. My ex was a bit of a fan (they said, I don't think I ever saw them use it) of FreeBSD. It's probably yet another lie from her though. Almost one year free from a relationship! Feels like quitting smoking a bit but it's so much better for my health.

I should hire you as an editor.

See? I love this site. I really, sure I was joking but still, would not have expected that. Thanks - interesting article by the way. Much appreciated.

Heh - you answered as I would have. Thanks. You did too, read that is... I do wonder if all the coffee in Turkey was that way. I obviously didn't have the chance to try all of it. That isn't really the subject though and I could probably use a search engine and find out if I were that curious I suppose. I guess a more accurate statement is that I'm a bit curious if others here have traveled to Turkey and had similar experiences.

Thank you for the information and, well, your view that his career choice means that he behaves like an immature child is a rather absurd argument really. The rest makes sense but your last statement doesn't really.

The two being similar isn't really the measuring stick you want to use, is it?

Shh! You won't get burned at the stake around here - they'll burn you at the stack in these parts.

Wait... I thought you said she was beautiful? ;)

I'm just screwing with you - she's a wonderful looking woman and has good taste in operating systems as well assuming she uses it because she likes to and not because it pleases you. Then again, doing it for the latter reason isn't horrific or anything but I'm an idealist I guess. (Which is why I no longer have a wife.)

That was a very good explanation and describes it in a manner that I've never seen before but it does describe it very well. So, in short, thank you for that. Even if I had mod points I'd rather just thank you for having taken the time to come up with that description (I spent 'em already, they'll probably give me more tomorrow) because, frankly, that's the best description I've seen of an ABI and how it probably *should* be done. It brings to mind some security questions (example: What do you do, from the kernel developer standpoint, if it turns out that the ABI has a security flaw in it - say it's an older ABI that is seldom used or the likes?) but I think those questions can wait for a better time and place.

Define "some years?" What if the application developer doesn't change the behavior after those some years have passed? Isn't ensuring backwards compatibility one of the reasons that Windows has had so many security issues? If so then do you really want to have to be constantly on the lookout for those same issues in the Linux kernel? Finally, why does Linus insist on acting like a child?

I don't suppose you'll truly know the answer to the last question but I'd appreciate any speculation. Keep in mind that, well, I'm actually quite a fan of Linux (I prefer Mandriva though I'm not opposed to Ubuntu - both seem to be somewhere near my skill level though they've "dumbed down" Ubuntu a bit it seems or I've just acclimated to it) and though I have nothing invested (other than personal interest) it seems as if he's a petulant child at times. Okay, quite frequently... That's sad because having someone approachable would probably be a good thing for Linux. As for approachability, you have RMS and Linus... Yeah...

It's a shame really because I think that we truly could have had a year of Linux on the Destkop® by now if it weren't for the behavior of some of the most vocal and closely associated people. And no, it wouldn't have ever really have been that year but it likely would have been a lot closer and a lot more popular. The goal is to encourage people to be free or at least examine their options, yes?

I believe you but seems a little far-fetched. Not the part about picking stuff out of their shit and eating it but the part about a North Korean having had corn to start with is what I find skeptical. If you'd said they were picking grass, tree bark, or burnt rice out of the shit and eating it then I guess I'd be more inclined to believe it without a second thought. ;)

Your post reminded me of the aroma! Yes - that's a whole other point. It does have a strong and very nice aroma. It smells like it is going to be some of the best damned coffee you're ever going to have in your life. Unfortunately I did not find the taste matching the aroma. But it does have that going for it, the aroma, and that's worthy of mentioning.

I'm not sure if anyone will find this beneficial but I shall try...

I was, of all places, in Hawaii when this was available for me to try. This was quite some time ago but it was still somewhere near $12 for a cup. I didn't care about the expense and simply wanted to try it because, well, it was available and I'd never tried it before and I'd been told it was both "very good" and "quite the experience."

The latter was certainly correct but I can't imagine thinking that the former is true under any circumstances?

I opted to try it unadulterated, no sugar and no cream. No, it didn't taste like fecal matter. It tasted as if someone had let the coffee burn at the bottom of the pot. It was oily, harsh, and did not taste good at all. It had a taste, to me, like burned coffee. It reminded me a bit of the coffee that I'd had served to me years ago in Turkey - like it was a bad imitation of bad coffee. It seriously was not pleasing, not even remotely pleasing at all.

I had paid, as I said, something close to $12 for said cup of coffee so I finished it. I'd ordered it and the intent was to try it. It was ordered mostly so I could have the experience and recount it later in life or, at least, remember it. I'd hoped to enjoy the experience and I'd hoped to be able to tell people that, "You should definitely try this! It's got to be the best coffee I've ever had."

I can not do so. I can only say that I've tried it and that I, personally, found it not only to not be anything special but something that should be avoided. It's not like a single cup is that expensive so if you still feel inclined to try it after having read this then, by all means, you should.

I have been told, since then, that it was, "Obviously fake." I have also been told that it may be the harvesting method? That some people farm the animals and just cram 'em full of beans and this means that the animal is just eating any bean fed to it. I've been told that the person who made it must not know what they were doing. I'm still more inclined to think that it was just really bad coffee. It had a distinct flavor and that flavor was not good.

Again, it reminded me of the coffee that I had in Turkey only that won't make any sense to anyone unless they've had Turkish coffee. The coffee I was served, multiple times in multiple places, in Turkey was burnt and very strong - strong to the point of absurd. Also burnt to the point of gross. It was bitter, burnt, and stronger than anyone should make coffee. It was served like that anywhere that I went so I am assuming it is a cultural thing and I've heard people mention it since. I've even heard a few people claim to like it.

Now, that's the best that I can describe Turkish coffee. Imagine that only make it oilier (Wow, that's a word and I spelled it correctly the first time? Heh!) and make it basically taste like a cheap imitation of that. Oh! Imagine espresso from a gas station as compared to espresso from a coffee shop that actually knows what they're doing. That's sort of how it compares in those regards.

Anyhow, like I said, if you get the chance to buy it by the cup then, by all means, give it a shot. It's not expensive really if you're just getting a single cup. I'd certainly not recommend buying a pound of the stuff. Also the prices quoted are a bit higher than what they were selling it at - they offered the beans for sale by the pound and I think it was $125 per pound BUT this was ten years ago or so. I think... I'm unable to recall the exact year that I went but it was somewhere around 8 to 10 years ago.

So, there's your review from me. I am aware that people's tastes are different so I'd still encourage you to consider trying it instead of relying on my review IF you were already wanting to try it and hadn't had the opportunity. If you probably weren't going to spend $12 on a cup of coffee, even if it came from poop from a Golden Retriever named Benny, then you probably should stick with your plan. It's really not very good... 'Snot very good at all.

Cool - thanks. I, too, always thought they were tiny things that you would have difficulty seeing. (I have never suffered from an infestation nor have I ever stayed anywhere that had an infestation.) I do understand that being infested does NOT mean, for example, that you're dirty or the likes. I guess a comparison would be lice, just because someone gets head lice doesn't mean that they're dirty. It may mean that they're an idiot (shared a pillow or brush) or simply managed to catch them from leaning back in someone's comfy chair and someone else who had lice had sat there recently.

Then again, I thought they were itty bitty critters so they may very well mean you're a dirty person if you have them. I was already incorrect in what I "knew" so I guess I could be wrong about that too. I guess I'll just be glad/grateful that I've never had an infestation as I also understand that they're a pain to get rid of. But, as stated, I've already been wrong once so that too could be mistaken.