I am more concerned about this development of what appear to be nonsensical computer generated response comments.

Exactly. What is the difference between an automated system and one with a human at the helm when you can just replace the human with impunity if he decides he doesn't want to help you anymore?

Its not like some criminal gang where a defector could mean consequences. A defector from the drone murder program is just....replaced. Even if 100% of pilots became disgusted with the job and refused within a year.... it wouldn't even slow them down, it would just increase their training costs.

Right now, there effectively is no difference between the existing drone program and automated kill bots. The problem is what people want to do and are allowed to get away with. As long as they can murder with impunity, the methods which they use are unimportant.

I just don't see the point. These will be developed, and no amount of banning them will stop it or even slow it down.

The thing is...they can put whatever restrictions they want, and you can then either put up with it, or go to court over it, spend lots of money on lawyers. If you win, all you get is to exercise your rights, either way you pay out the big money; out of pocket.

Then, should you want another event, expect to be denied or offered the same terms and to AGAIN need to go to court over it, and pay out big bucks to win again.

Mass Cann here in Boston had this problem year after year. The city would deny their permit, they would sue, they would win, next year, same thing.

So effectively, there is a massive unapproved tax on events the city officials don't like.

I think pattern recognition is part of it. Think about the effects.

What does flat white wall do? It stretches, it breathes. Maybe lines or shadows on it dance a bit, maybe the pervasive color line pattern you see behind your eyes projects onto it.

However a candle flickering through faceted glass, that could become a kaleidoscope of cartoon skulls in a burst of colors.

I saw a ted talk about the mind and pattern recognition.... how the mind has chains of pattern recognizers and seeing one part of a pattern potentiates another part. LSD is like, every pattern recognizer is potentiated, that is solid, it is liquid, it is flowing, it is breathing.....

Its like a signal. If you have a weak signal compared to the noise, then you can't distinguish the right patterns, however, if you are in the time and place where strong signals are coming in, then being potentiated towards recognizing them may be a benefit....and the signal is so strong....like a white wall, there just isn't much else it could be.

> Deflecting possible Colombian hooker attacks on the president.

I hear this is quite a rigorous training course.

Maybe, it makes some sense. However, have seen similar anecdotal evidence from LSD.

So long time ago, back when I was a pool player and bar fly....a friend called me up "I dropped acid and am bored, lets go out". We met up at the bar, she was lit but handling it well. We grabbed a pool table and started to play.

Now, I was shooting a lot of pool back then. I was decent, we all were. This was a girl I used to partner up with at casual tournaments occasionally, so I was very familiar with how she shot....and she fucking KILLED IT that night.

I have NEVER seen her so on her game as she was tripping face.

The crux of my problem though...
> As for your hypothetical, material found incriminating someone not listed on the warrant would be
> found inadmissible in court and would be specifically barred from use in any later criminal trial. It
> could be a potentially great result for the third party as any bad evidence against them would now
> legally not exist.

I object to the assertion that "you can't be prosecuted" is the be all and end all of harm you or others could be exposed to. A violation of privacy is a violation of privacy, even if you can't be prosecuted in the end.

Frankly, it seems to me an invalid warrant or illegal search without one, should be a violation of rights and charged as a criminal act every time it happens.

Nah put the blame where it belongs, in the private hands of the Bush Family. their partners, and their generations long business arrangements with the Saudis which have been allowed to pervert our national interest for half a century. They created their own bogeyman.

> Saddam could easily have suddenly cooperated with inspectors. He could said wait wait stop while those conversations were happening at the UN.

Right except, as I remember it, we gave an ultimatum, he hemmed and hawed and finally agreed, and then we invaded anyway. Frankly, I don't believe for a second there was any intention of allowing a war not to happen.

Saddam was a pawn who became a liability and got sacrificed.

> Saddam used to do that all the time. Indeed, it can be expected as a regular practice precisely so
> that, when it really counts and they need to hide stuff, the delays won't seem unusual.

Except, in proper hindsight its pretty clear that the regular practice was precisely to LOOK LIKE he had capabilities that he didn't have.

It doesn't really take much to see why he would want to do that either; from his perspective he probably calculated that appearing to possibly have a nuclear program and chemical weapons stockpiles made it less likely for him to be seen as weak and vulnerable to attack and overthrow.

Though they all ham it up for the camera one way or another. Most often these situations are little more than a lot of posturing on both sides. Iran likes to take up their Iron Sheik role, because its a part of the act that works for them; just like it works for Uncle Sam to play the good guy role.

I am not even addressing that; I think it is utter bullshit that just because one is not the stated subject of a search means one is not the subject when its their property being searched. If your property is being searched you ARE the subject of the search.

All you have done is restated the situation. I see no reason why the party whose property is subject to search should ever not have standing to challenge. In fact, I really thing the entire concept of standing to challenge needs to be broadened. They are impacted, they should have some say.

What about the case where lies or deception is used to claim that a third party's property exists? No loophole there eh? "Oh we are going to search you now, but we are really searching that guy over there so you have the right to take it like the slave you are"

So are you volunteering to explain then?

Let me grab my bucket and we can get started. :)

This is why minimal interpretation of rights leads to not having any. The very idea that Party A is holding information about Party B, and the government can execute a search warrant now, claiming to be "served on B" but really, searching the effects fo party A.

Its BULLSHIT. If a warrant is being served to search facebook servers, it is ON FACEBOOK. Not their user. The very idea that someone or some entitity can be searched while having no standing to challenge it *IS* tyranny.

I was actually thinking the holding a cloth over a persons face and restraining him upside down while pouring water over the cloth, and hitting him in the diaphram if he tries to not breathe.

Nobody seems to want to take me up on my sincere offer to listen to their arguments about why it is certainly not torture, as long as they are willing to demonstrate by being waterboarded until I believe them.