I miss my tandy :(

To whom are messages usually sent in organized crime?

Generally I believe it is rivals, not communities of law abiding citizens.

Does that really not make a difference to you?

I speak as if it is the only kind that has the INTENT of creating a chilling effect.

But that isn't the only kind, organized crime will often try to dissuade competition and create warnings to rivals and send messages with violence. I'm not really sure what I think of that part of it, but I do know that crimes where the action actively intends to send a message should be punished more than crimes with action and no intended message. We as a society have the ability to make laws to try to form a future society in an image we want.

I want a society where there are no people who have thoughts or beliefs which would be considered "hateful", as in racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. By punishing those more harshly I believe it adds momentum toward reaching that destination.

You say "less punishment" where you could easily have said the other person deserves "more punishment".

Why is that?

I'm glad someone appreciated it.

Yeah, then they just mod you a troll or overrated and keep going on with their ridiculous overinflated egos spouting stupidity as if it is insight.

So depressing... I remember back in the day when... ah fuck it. I don't even care about the nostalgia anymore.

Is premeditated murder thought crime compared to 2nd degree murder?

I completely agree with all you said.

I support hate crime laws, you illiterate twat.

Not you, for sure.

The intent of other crime isn't the chilling effect though. So are you arguing intent doesn't matter and only the consequences of actions matter? Because I can eviscerate you on that topic if you want.

Or are you implying hate crime doesn't intend to create a chilling effect? I find it hard to believe you could be so stupid as to think that and simultaneously be capable of operating a computer.

Read the other threads under this parent instead of trolling here, please. I'm proving why I'm right without uncertainty.

No, she isn't the goal. The goal is revenge... not to send a message to anyone but to satisfy his twisted perspective of justice, regardless of his state of mind at the time.

I'm blown away he's gotten (5, Insightful). This community is fucking dying if crap like this is thought of as insightful. It is shallow and petulant thinking.

Parent said he doesn't care about intent and only the results, fuckwit.

You're also ignoring the fact that hate crime has the intent of causing a chilling effect throughout a community IN ADDITION TO the direct harm caused to their target. It objectively causes more harm than normal non "hate" crime.

You're a fucking brainiac.