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Comment Re:No, school should not be year-round. (Score 1) 421

Kids should have at least a couple of months out of the year when they can just not worry about their studies and have fun and BE KIDS.

I mean, jeez! You only get to be a kid once. Let them enjoy those summer vacations. When I think back to my childhood, my fondest memories are during those summer vacations! Why the heck should we take that away from our future generations?

Leave summer vacation in place. And stop freaking shortening it.

I agree that kids need play time. There is definitely a need to switch the brain to fun things. And yes, the same can be said for adults.
Instead of a continuous 8 weeks of time off, it could be arranged to have three periods of three weeks. (extra days would include legal holidays, Christmas, etc.).
That way, we learn, we have time to play, and we have time to travel and do what is mind broadening.

Comment Re:Funny money (Score 1) 409

"$400,000 worth of carbon emissions", it says. What, monopoly money?

There are carbon emission markets that put a real price on CO2 emissions. These are currently priced under $10 / tonne. But this study used a value of $50 / tonne, without any justification, other than making their conclusions look more impressive.

Today the infrastrastructure is in place to do coal mining, pump petroleum out of the ground, and other techniques. Refer to
http://www.adventuresinenergy..... But these resources are not renewable, and not limitless. Sooner or later the source will run dry.
Capital investment in Solar and Wind is high in terms of startup costs. But as inflation takes place, as the cost of operation stays fixed, or falls due to improved technology, the current energy barons will attempt to purchase as much of the alternate power generation facilities as possible. There is no doubt that wind, solar, and even clean nuclear will come to fruition.
I believe that it will be possible at some point in time to have 1 acre lots with a small safe nuclear generators situated thereon, and it will produce all the electricity for a town of 10,000. A city like NY may have larger plants. And the thousand mile transmission lines will be a remnant of the past. Transmission lines are subject to lightning strikes, hurricanes, tornados and earthquakes.

Fossil fuel energy is doomed. The energy barons spend small fortunes on negative propaganda, making you feel good about their energy supply. Shame on you for believing them.

Comment Re:Um... good for whom in the US? (Score 1) 111

20 euros is inclusive of taxes. France taxes are not super heavy, but still on the upper side, and I'd bet US taxes are lower overall.

When I lived in France I had Free. Excellent service, very disruptive market strategy. I'm very excited with the news. I'd switch in an eyelash.

I would also switch in a flash. When I was in Riga Latvia with my son, he explained that he paid 8 euros a month for TV and internet and a little more for Cellphones, but that there were charge for roaming outside of the country.
I think $20/mo plus taxes is reasonable My VOIP is in that range and why not TV and CellPhone. My answer to my question is that the consumer must pay for the cellphone towers, and not the mobile phone companies. I bet that 80% of the Cellphone bill is for marketing, and paying to construct towers in new markets. From the 20%, its operational (salaries and technicians and hardware maintenance).

Comment Re:No worries (Score 1) 224

You believe that China is only in it for space? Good for you. Do not let history or current events get in the way of your fantasy.

Of course China is in it only for space. The USA is its best customer, and why kill your customers. The USA 1% wealthy have closed most manufacturing industries and have moved these off-shore. The 1% no longer need to live in the USA, but will have a luxurious live in a beautiful location, with good weather, with the best of the best.

Again, what is left in the USA? Only primary industries (coal, oil, gas and cars) and not much else

Comment Re:What else ? (Score 1) 204

Heh. "Second Leaker" is a little less damaging to the NSA than "Persistent, undetected back door access".

It's a form of disinformation as misdirection, related to "plausible deniability" and "limited hangout".

Is it possible that the second leaker is actually someone from outside the system that has managed to hack their way in and thus browse all that "leaked information". ?

That would explain the date disparigy

Comment Re:When the patients awoke (Score 1) 390

Their lives were forever changed. One developed incredible muscles, which he used to fight crime. The other's brain was equally enhanced, but her turned to a life of crime.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? If this serum proves useful, you and much of humanity will be spared. Otherwise, it would be a short six months for that virus to spread around the North American, European and in fact all continents. It would kill in the millions.
Definitely not funny.

Comment Re:Read the source code (Score 1) 430

I think several here have different expectations of what constitutes "good documentation". Being a Linux sysadmin, I work in FOSS day in, day out, and documentation is always available and clear.

Without knowing, you've hit the nail with the hammer.

Here is why FOSS docs are so nice to you, but proprietary ones are not: audience analysis.

The people who create FOSS documentation are often either the developers themselves, or very early adopters who spend a lot of time with the developers. They have a technical mindset, and will write documentation in that way. You have a very technical mindset, and like me, will probably prefer a well-commented configuration example over a nicely formatted .pdf document with all possible options.

Our local colleges and universities demand documentation in the source. Typically, doxygen is the tool. With doxygen, html, pdf and man documentation can be relatively easily prepared. And the reason it wins my support is that one documents the code while the information is fresh in the mind. Software updates are documented in place, and with one "make" program call,the new revised documentation is created.

In large enterprises, things are different. That's where the professional technical writers come in (yes, that's a full-time job). These folks will come up with a target audience, secondary audience, initial outline for the documentation and (in their minds) well-written content and examples. Since this gets reviewed many times by people who all have an ego telling them that they must make at least some changes in order to show productivity to their bosses, the documentation ends up being a piece of crap. It may be correct, but it usually is a piece of crap.

For example, let's take any routing vendor's documentation. You are looking to configure something as simple as an L3VPN. The easiest way to do this is by getting an example configuration and just change some IP addresses to match your own network, right? Well, the "professionals" think not. They will come up with this:

Step 1: configure an IGP. For more information on how to configure an IGP, see chapter 12, section 3.

Step 2: enable the appropriate interfaces for MPLS. For more information on how to enable interfaces for MPLS, see chapter 2, section 1.

Step 3: create an LSP between the two PE nodes. For more information an how to configure LSPs, see chapter 2, section 10.

Step 4: enable a signaling protocol such as BGP or LDP. For more information on how to configure BGP as an L3VPN signaling protocol, see chapter 10, section 9. For more information on how to configure (targeted) LDP as your L3VPN signaling protocol, see chapter 7, section 1.

Step 5: configure the route-target: set route-target 12345:1. For more information on route-target configuration, see chapter 8, section 2.

Step 6: configure the route-distinguisher: set route-distinguisher 12345:100. For more information on route-distinguisher configuration, see chapter 8, section 3.

And that, my friend, is why commercial documentation sucks a monkey's ass.

BRAVO. Also you forgot jargon and abbreviations without a glossary to describe what it is you mean by the "Gronk" function. The Gronk function, by the way is a fixed up fubar function.

Comment Re:Read the source code (Score 1) 430

Agreed. I think several here have different expectations of what constitutes "good documentation". Being a Linux sysadmin, I work in FOSS day in, day out, and documentation is always available and clear.

As soon as I dip a toe into proprietary software, I'm met with a stubborn inability to communicate from the publisher. NVIDIA, HP, Microsoft, rank about the same in terms of opacity. Even Red Hat's documentation of their proprietary products are no match for the exact same company's contributions to FOSS documentation.

But then there are other FOSS products that match proprietary for its lousiness in documentation. Ganglia, Puppet, I'm looking at you.

My frustration with Fedora is the locked in attitude to documentation preparation and editing. Some of the grammar stinks, and some of it is just plain missing or two generations late.

Fedora uses software tools (I did not see GIT in there) and a closed team to writing and translating. I did not see much in the way of editing being possible. A much much superior approach, in my opinion would be to use Wordpress or Wikapaedia (or a clone) to allow a community of users to revise the writing and editing of the documentation.
All in favor of having Wikapaedia as the documentation management system for FOSS say AYE!!!

Aye (from Montreal)

Comment Re:Well at least they saved the children! (Score 1) 790

The great things google can offer, 1984 saves the children!

(Yes it's good that pedophiles get hurt - But there is a very very bad precedent here...)

I am wondering about this subject of pedophilia. Men enjoy nudes, of women, and some even do the (cough cough) usual to relieve themselves. Are these men perverts if they relieve themselves?

A pedophile may have restraint in that he would never touch a child, but he needs photos of kids in the same way many men need nudes. To fantasize and relieve themselves. I would make eunuchs of people who touch or take the pictures but is there any proof that looking at pictures, obtained by "viewer perverts" is harmful to society? I know possession is illegal. Is looking on the web at such things illegal for the viewer or for the website host? In this latter case, the viewer is not in possession.

Comment Re:Hamas are Terrorists (Score 1) 402

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https://www.kintera.com/accoun...

A Hamas manual on "Urban Warfare" found by the Israeli Defense Forces makes it unmistakably clear that Hamas desires civilian casualties amongst its own people and encourages its fighters to engage in battles in civilian populated areas in order to draw an Israeli response.

"Where is the U.N. Human Rights Council? Where is Amnesty International? Where is Human Rights Watch? Where is the international media and Middle East pundits. Where are all the lawfare experts? Here is 'Exhibit A' to indict Hamas for war crimes and crimes against humanity by placing the people of Gaza as human shields," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, dean and founder and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

From the IDF Blog:

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

The Manual:

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

        The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

        (1) Problems with opening fire
        (2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
        (3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

        The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

Why Shuja’iya is Important

It is also of no small importance that this manual belongs to the Shuja’iya Brigade. The IDF fought a major battle in the neighborhood of Shuja’iya, which had been turned into a terrorist stronghold. The discovery of this manual suggests that the destruction in Shuja’iya was always part of Hamas’ plan.

 

Comment Re: Hamas are Terrorists (Score 1) 402

"Where is the U.N. Human Rights Council? Where is Amnesty International? Where is Human Rights Watch? Where is the international media and Middle East pundits. Where are all the lawfare experts? Here is 'Exhibit A' to indict Hamas for war crimes and crimes against humanity by placing the people of Gaza as human shields," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, dean and founder and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

From the IDF Blog:

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

The Manual:

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

        The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

        (1) Problems with opening fire
        (2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
        (3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

        The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

https://www.kintera.com/accoun...

Comment Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (Score 1) 868

Re the powerstation.
Israel is not dumb, Israel provides Gaza with power, from the Israeli nuclear generators. If they wanted to kill power, they just had to kill connection, a simple switch to off.

Hamas rockets have a 20% failure rate, where they fall back onto their own land. Israel has adamantly denied bombing their distribution system.
You decide, Israel or Hamas.

Question to answer. Why has Fatah not joined Hamas? My thoughts are that since the last cease fire, construction, trade, tourism, schools and more have been expanding in Palestine. Standard of living has been increasing, and jobs in Israel have opened up. Money, trade, etc.

I am in Montreal Quebec, and I purchase Lebanese products, because (yes, because) of the co-existence with Israel. That would stop immediately if there was conflict between the two countries. I buy Israeli products too, as one would expect of me as my wife, in-laws, are former Israelis.

 

Comment Re:Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza - Debunked (Score 1) 868

Israel claims that it is merely exercising its right to self-defense and that Gaza is no longer occupied. Here’s what you need to know about these talking points and more.

Israel has killed almost 800 Palestinians in the past twenty-one days in the Gaza Strip alone; its onslaught continues. The UN estimates that more than 74 percent of those killed are civilians. That is to be expected in a population of 1.8 million where the number of Hamas members is approximately 15,000. Israel does not deny that it killed those Palestinians using modern aerial technology and precise weaponry courtesy of the world’s only superpower. In fact, it does not even deny that they are civilians.

Israel’s propaganda machine, however, insists that these Palestinians wanted to die (“culture of martyrdom”), staged their own death (“telegenically dead”) or were the tragic victims of Hamas’s use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes (“human shielding”). In all instances, the military power is blaming the victims for their own deaths, accusing them of devaluing life and attributing this disregard to cultural bankruptcy. In effect, Israel—along with uncritical mainstream media that unquestionably accept this discourse—dehumanizes Palestinians, deprives them even of their victimhood and legitimizes egregious human rights and legal violations.

This is not the first time. The gruesome images of decapitated children’s bodies and stolen innocence on Gaza’s shores are a dreadful repeat of Israel’s assault on Gaza in November 2012 and winter 2008–09. Not only are the military tactics the same but so too are the public relations efforts and the faulty legal arguments that underpin the attacks. Mainstream media news anchors are inexplicably accepting these arguments as fact.

Below I address five of Israel’s recurring talking points. I hope this proves useful to newsmakers.

1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense.

As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation. It governs by military and law enforcement authority to maintain order, protect itself and protect the civilian population under its occupation. It cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them. These contradictory policies (occupying a land and then declaring war on it) make the Palestinian population doubly vulnerable.

The precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility. Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion. The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control. Israel does have the right to defend itself against rocket attacks, but it must do so in accordance with occupation law and not other laws of war. Occupation law ensures greater protection for the civilian population. The other laws of war balance military advantage and civilian suffering. The statement that “no country would tolerate rocket fire from a neighboring country” is therefore both a diversion and baseless.

Israel denies Palestinians the right to govern and protect themselves, while simultaneously invoking the right to self-defense. This is a conundrum and a violation of international law, one that Israel deliberately created to evade accountability.

2) Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005.

Israel argues that its occupation of the Gaza Strip ended with the unilateral withdrawal of its settler population in 2005. It then declared the Gaza Strip to be “hostile territory” and declared war against its population. Neither the argument nor the statement is tenable. Despite removing 8,000 settlers and the military infrastructure that protected their illegal presence, Israel maintained effective control of the Gaza Strip and thus remains the occupying power as defined by Article 47 of the Hague Regulations. To date, Israel maintains control of the territory’s air space, territorial waters, electromagnetic sphere, population registry and the movement of all goods and people.

Israel argues that the withdrawal from Gaza demonstrates that ending the occupation will not bring peace. Some have gone so far as to say that Palestinians squandered their opportunity to build heaven in order to build a terrorist haven instead. These arguments aim to obfuscate Israel’s responsibilities in the Gaza Strip, as well as the West Bank. As Prime Minister Netanyahu once explained, Israel must ensure that it does not “get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria. I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”

Palestinians have yet to experience a day of self-governance. Israel immediately imposed a siege upon the Gaza Strip when Hamas won parliamentary elections in January 2006 and tightened it severely when Hamas routed Fatah in June 2007. The siege has created a “humanitarian catastrophe” in the Gaza Strip. Inhabitants will not be able to access clean water, electricity or tend to even the most urgent medical needs. The World Health Organization explains that the Gaza Strip will be unlivable by 2020. Not only did Israel not end its occupation, it has created a situation in which Palestinians cannot survive in the long-term.

3) This Israeli operation, among others, was caused by rocket fire from Gaza.

Israel claims that its current and past wars against the Palestinian population in Gaza have been in response to rocket fire. Empirical evidence from 2008, 2012 and 2014 refute that claim. First, according to Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the greatest reduction of rocket fire came through diplomatic rather than military means. This chart demonstrates the correlation between Israel’s military attacks upon the Gaza Strip and Hamas militant activity. Hamas rocket fire increases in response to Israeli military attacks and decreases in direct correlation to them. Cease-fires have brought the greatest security to the region.

During the four months of the Egyptian-negotiated cease-fire in 2008, Palestinian militants reduced the number of rockets to zero or single digits from the Gaza Strip. Despite this relative security and calm, Israel broke the cease-fire to begin the notorious aerial and ground offensive that killed 1,400 Palestinians in twenty-two days. In November 2012, Israel’s extrajudicial assassination of Ahmad Jabari, the chief of Hamas’s military wing in Gaza, while he was reviewing terms for a diplomatic solution, again broke the cease-fire that precipitated the eight-day aerial offensive that killed 132 Palestinians.

Immediately preceding Israel’s most recent operation, Hamas rocket and mortar attacks did not threaten Israel. Israel deliberately provoked this war with Hamas. Without producing a shred of evidence, it accused the political faction of kidnapping and murdering three settlers near Hebron. Four weeks and almost 700 lives later, Israel has yet to produce any evidence demonstrating Hamas’s involvement. During ten days of Operation Brother’s Keeper in the West Bank, Israel arrested approximately 800 Palestinians without charge or trial, killed nine civilians and raided nearly 1,300 residential, commercial and public buildings. Its military operation targeted Hamas members released during the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange in 2011. It’s these Israeli provocations that precipitated the Hamas rocket fire to which Israel claims left it with no choice but a gruesome military operation.

4) Israel avoids civilian casualties, but Hamas aims to kill civilians.

Hamas has crude weapons technology that lacks any targeting capability. As such, Hamas rocket attacks ipso facto violate the principle of distinction because all of its attacks are indiscriminate. This is not contested. Israel, however, would not be any more tolerant of Hamas if it strictly targeted military objects, as we have witnessed of late. Israel considers Hamas and any form of its resistance, armed or otherwise, to be illegitimate.

In contrast, Israel has the eleventh most powerful military in the world, certainly the strongest by far in the Middle East, and is a nuclear power that has not ratified the non-proliferation agreement and has precise weapons technology. With the use of drones, F-16s and an arsenal of modern weapon technology, Israel has the ability to target single individuals and therefore to avoid civilian casualties. But rather than avoid them, Israel has repeatedly targeted civilians as part of its military operations.

The Dahiya Doctrine is central to these operations and refers to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks on Lebanon in 2006. Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot said that this would be applied elsewhere:

What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on. [] We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.

Israel has kept true to this promise. The 2009 UN Fact-Finding Mission to the Gaza Conflict, better known as the Goldstone Mission, concluded “from a review of the facts on the ground that it witnessed for itself that what was prescribed as the best strategy [Dahiya Doctrine] appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.”

According to the National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, Israel directly targeted civilians or recklessly caused civilian deaths during Operation Cast Lead. Far from avoiding the deaths of civilians, Israel effectively considers them legitimate targets.

5) Hamas hides its weapons in homes, mosques and schools and uses human shields.

This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argumentwe found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

Even assuming that Israel’s claims were plausible, humanitarian law obligates Israel to avoid civilian casualties that “would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.” A belligerent force must verify whether civilian or civilian infrastructure qualifies as a military objective. In the case of doubt, “whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used.”

In the over thee weeks of its military operation, Israel has demolished 3,175 homes, at least a dozen with families inside; destroyed five hospitals and six clinics; partially damaged sixty-four mosques and two churches; partially to completely destroyed eight government ministries; injured 4,620; and killed over 700 Palestinians. At plain sight, these numbers indicate Israel’s egregious violations of humanitarian law, ones that amount to war crimes.

Beyond the body count and reference to law, which is a product of power, the question to ask is, What is Israel’s end goal? What if Hamas and Islamic Jihad dug tunnels beneath the entirety of the Gaza Strip—they clearly did not, but let us assume they did for the sake of argument. According to Israel’s logic, all of Gaza’s 1.8 million Palestinians are therefore human shields for being born Palestinian in Gaza. The solution is to destroy the 360-kilometer square strip of land and to expect a watching world to accept this catastrophic loss as incidental. This is possible only by framing and accepting the dehumanization of Palestinian life. Despite the absurdity of this proposal, it is precisely what Israeli society is urging its military leadership to do. Israel cannot bomb Palestinians into submission, and it certainly cannot bomb them into peace.

My response to you is "Bullshit".

Until Hamas came on the scene (2005), Israel had as open borders with Gaza as the USA has with Mexico. Israel treated Gazians for medical situations beyond what Gazians could get at home. Israel gave jobs to the Palestinians.
When Hamas came to power with "Death to all jews, leave no jew alive", in their charter, and Hamas established hatrid schools for youth beginning age 5, AND Hamas started with terrorist attacks, Israel closed its borders.

Israel, from 2005, received over 15000 terrorist bombs and missiles, and retaliated. First, stop the jobs offered to Palestinians. Gaza, you stay in your world, we stay in ours. But we have the right to inspect cargo coming to Gaza for weapons.

Israel let through the cement, as it would be used to construct homes, shopping malls, schools and hospitals and even universities. So, what did Hamas do? 80% of the money given Gaza was funneled to building attack tunnels. Hamas was building a war machine for attacks.

Hamas lives with 16th century religious norms. they want a Calif, and the style of government is like that. The Hamas Calif leadership is in Qatar, in 5 star hotels, enjoying the multiple wives and living far far better than their citizens. (Search videos made by Egyptians).

Israel would have kept borders open and would have had trade with Gaza, but for terrorist attacks. Remember "Drive the Jews to the Sea" slogans, and actions.

Israel will do all in it's power to protect itself, including pre-emptive strikes. Lets compare the other countries at war with Israel.

Israel sends pamplets, makes phone messages, and has a knocker bomb that preceded by a good amount of time, the delivery of the real bomb. Hamas tells it's citizens to stay; put children on the roofs. To die for their cause.
The bomb that is dropped is not a shrapnel bomb, but one designed for deep penetration and explosion in a small perimeter.
We Jews hold life, be it animal or human, to be precious. We do not slaughter animals, unless for food, and we are not hunters, killing animals for sport, (except for fishing). We see no colour, and don't have class distinction. As a reminder, Israel is currently housing thousands of refugees from North Africa. No Arab country would take them in, and Israel does.

Israel wants to live in peace. Israel could overrun the Palestinians with a conventional type of war, you know the type, as exemplified in Afghanistan, Irac, Libya and elsewhere. Bomb the hell out of the target place to soften them up, march in, take no prisoners, and clean-up.

So, yes, we are compared to Sudan, and Syria, where there are a million displaced citizens and tens of thousands killed by chemical weapons, or cluster bombs. Double standards eh, It is easy to forget Syria, or even the Chinese with Tiananmen Square.

Does Hamas want to hold elections? When there were opposition from within, somehow these people ended up dead, with car bombings and shootings, false accusations of sins of commission and more.

For your information, Israelis are parents too, with children and grandchildren. Do you not think we suffer too when needless loss of life is taking place?

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