I run a tanning salon you insensitive clod! ;)

WTF are you smoking? Held liable? Women were raped and murdered while on the phone with 911 and a police unit never even showed up. The judge said that the police do NOT have a responsibility to protect and serve. Police shoot people dead all the time and even in some of the grossest of negligence cases, the police walk free.

Held liable. Over a neglected suicide? Meh. When unicorns start farting iridescent rainbows on my front lawn while the fairies frolic about with the wood nymphs.

Did you marry Angel_X11?

You nailed it on a lot of points.

You would think this reason alone should be enough to push people far away form SystemD. To me, that is probably the largest reason to avoid it, but certainly not the only valid reason.

I wish your point could be echoed loud and clear and that the concern could be addressed. I do not see how it can be addressed though.

My my, how far we have come. How much more like Windows can we get?

I am not saying you are wrong but you are not right.

Da'esh got their initial serious funding from Kuwaiti and Saudi citizens who had family wronged by Iraqis during the US-led invasion of Iraq. Da'esh went into Iraq in small teams and started killing ex-military personnel, judges, etc. They made a video of these executions and other activities (which I can not say more about) and distributed the video to the "proper" personnel to prove what they had done. Those personnel then provided much larger funding and MUCH better equipment.

In short, Obama's actions may have created some of the "environment" but it was Bush, Kuwaitis, and Saudis who really created Da'esh, aka ISIS/ISIL.

Eh? The results are clear and effective. General Petraeus and Mr. Spitzer found out the hard way.

I would be surprised if these capabilities were not abused to blackmail or otherwise coerce leaders of industry and members of congress.

Someone has a LOT of power at their fingertips now because of these "programs". People are getting hurt already.

Boo fucking hoo. If the NSA had not abused its privileges, they would not be in this position now. They should have stuck to their job instead of trying so hard to become Big Brother. This could potentially tumble America into destruction. They should have thought of that before they started this bullshit.

Worked real well in the Ukraine recently eh? (CAPTCHA is grossly relevant this time: obituary, are these really random coincidences?)

Up until I was about 3, I used to stutter. My mother and father became divorced, my father disappeared, and all stuttering went away almost overnight.

I am not sure how this fits into their narrative. I was probably just a one-off... as usual.

Then you are not turning the speakers up loud enough. Funnily enough, the CAPTCHA is demolish.

Seriously, someone was asking me to tell the difference between a wav file and an mp3 file, both were sent to me as a wav. Once I turned the volume up loud enough I was correct on one song 100% of the time (Primus - My Name is Mud) and 2/3 of the time for a Metallica song. I would have had perfect detection for mp3 on the Metallica song but I had my amp (accidentally) still munging music to make MP3s sound better. The Primus song is never in question when encoded as an MP3. Something about it defeats the algorithm no matter how you tune it.

What annoyed me the most is that no prisoner could ever be contained. Every. Single. Prisoner. Left. Their. Cell. Every. Fucking. Time.

Really? They don't know how to do security? Oy oy oy.

Then remove the obscene taxes. That is the reason they were passed to begin with, the supposedly much higher medical bills... however, the reduced pension/retirement usage never factored into the equation. Whatever.

I am flabbergasted. The reason Debian does not get corporate contracts is because they do not have a corporate program to provide assurances to customers like Redhat does. It has nothing to do with SystemD.

Redhat is about to lose a largish DoD contract because of SystemD. Debian has removed themselves as an option with this crap. Will my decision hurt Redhat? Individually, no. I will not be surprised if lots of other people responsible for choosing technologies refuse this crap as well. Will it hurt Debian? I was already not using them but now they have excluded themselves. They have limited their own potential growth.

I have quite a few Linux servers under my control. SystemD buys me nothing. SystemD has not caused me any problems in my professional life (yet) but it has caused me numerous problems in my personal life.

In my professional life, I have two services that I would like SystemD to restart when those services die. It does not restart them. Is this a problem? No. It is no different than previous behaviour.

Other than service monitoring, I am unsure what else SystemD is supposed to offer to me. My servers never change hardware, never change networks, never do anything at all other than the two services they provide. Binary logs makes troubleshooting transient boot problems impossible. It never gets far enough to start writing text logs through the other interfaces. I do not even bother to troubleshoot anymore. I have an ISO image that tkes less than 10 minutes to install and make fully functional. Is this the goal of SystemD? To just reinstall like we do with Windows?

Meh. There is no point in discussing this. Some people want SystemD. As a rejection of init, I can understand that position, but it is like worshiping Satan because Beelzebub was too evil. All I can say is, What the fuck is wrong with you people?

In this particular case, it is not about you, it is about the humour. It could have been anyone... even me. It is not the fact that a mistake was made that is important, mistakes are common in casual conversation like this. It is that the mistake was made in relation to the meaning of the word that the mistake was made upon (is that even coherent?!). :)