My wife was born and raised in Randle, she lived on a hill just like the one in question. The fact that there were trees on the hill tells me it didn't see continual slides, even if those around it did. You make a good point about roots disrupting the stability of the rock, though, and that leads me to ask what, exactly, everyone thinks happens to the rock in these underground caverns when it is not only put in contact with water, but put under pressure. What happens when that water drains and that pressure, which lifted that rock slightly, allowing it to shift from its stable position, is removed?

Your post didn't negate my point, but then, I'm not sure it was meant to.

Hey, you know what? I'm not the one that makes slides and sinkholes happen, physics handles that part. Let's revisit this discussion in a year and see who's right, my email address is right there.

So long as the caverns stay filled, everything should be fine, but once those caverns begin to drain; and they will, soon; I expect to see a lot of sinkholes in Oklahoma. Untouched (and dry), those caverns were quite stable and capable of holding the load above them.

Just look at the slides in Washington for an example of what happens when you get otherwise stable *dry* rock wet.

How was this off-topic? In the sense of the article, yes, but it was a direct and appropriate response to the comment I was replying to. No worries, plenty of karma to burn here, just wondering if someone wants to clarify for me.

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Why not 7.2, stereo subwoofers (yes, that's a thing). They do 9.1 now, as well.

Dry rock doesn't slide or collapse. Wet rock does. I'll let you put that together.

Precisely. Even when I was a minimum- or low-wage worker, I always considered myself lucky to be working full time and considered just how fucked I would be if my hours got cut.

If they're lucky enough to get full-time work. Since, for the vast majority of employers, that now means health insurance and a bunch of other non-wage expenses, that's going to become even more difficult to find than it has been.

What about supporting themselves? It can be done in most places in the US on $10/hr, but not if you're working part-time.

It would be nice if they could at least support a single person, though; true, if you combine 4 of them, you can support a family of 4, but not every expense scales in a linear fashion.

So then, if Grace Hopper were still alive and suffered a spinal injury... I see.

Yeah, I'm building from available options, not just walking the lot and looking at what they think will sell. It's not an option on anything I'm interested in and can afford. Interestingly, it's not even an option on the Genesis (also a bit out of my range), which would be the first car in Hyundai's lineup I'd expect to come standard with one. Not sure where you're from, but what you describe is *not* reality here in the US.

I've smoked too many S-2000s in my stock (as far as engine and drivetrain are concerned) Corolla, my mods extend to creature comforts and luxury features only. One guy was so pissed off at losing the first time that he burned out his clutch trying to keep his engine speed up for torque off the start on our second run.

Perhaps I've just encountered a series of bad drivers in S-2000s; but, if bad drivers are frequent owners of S-2000s, I'm not sure I want to put that label on myself. That said, my PM, who also happens to be one of the best drivers I know, loves them, so I'm torn, honestly.

I'd actually prefer an Eagle Talon TSi, but the ones I can find for sale are either not street legal in California (modded engine, intake, and/or exhaust) or completely beat to shit. So, since I can't find one of those, it's buy new or keep what I've got.