I dunno, my wife could probably kick your ass.

No, it's well beyond that phase; most users already have one. A huge one.

The *volume* of water changes with phase. Mass does not.

But then, you knew that and were just poking fun at the "everything is because of climate change" folks, right?

$29.95, actually.:(

No recent version includes it natively, regardless of platform, but it will ask you to download if it needs it. I believe the same applies to the libraries needed for BD ripping, but I already had MakeMKV installed, so I'm not sure.

Oh, did I say it was my mistake? Sorry, I meant the editors changed my summary!!

So *every* iPhone screen can light up at the same time? Or so every iPhone user can bitch loudly over the movie at the same time? Perhaps both?

That says nothing of legality and Handbrake works for all the DVDs and BDs I've fed it thus far.

And I did it again... first sentence should read:

My experience (consistent across multiple machines, not just the one I'm typing on right now) and many, many users posting with stability and performance issues that were introduced with Lion and have persisted since. Yes, Apple had bugs before lion, but none that were both performance/stability-affecting and persisted through multiple versions of the OS. That's a new development under Cook, and a very bad sign for those of us who use our machines professionally.

... and let's also realize I didn't list every issue. If you want that, I can certainly do it; it'll be one of the longest posts I've ever made here, though.

It's been an issue since 10.7. What usability bugs can you point out, pre-10.7, that persisted for multiple releases? I'm honestly asking, since 10.6 was the first version I used.

Shall I provide my comprehensive list? I only listed a handful of the more aggravating issues I've dealt with in the past couple days.

Then that work shipped on this machine, as the issue persisted when migrating from another machine, despite installing only trusted binaries direct from the developer (e.g. Firefox, Chrome, Adobe stuff, really not a whole hell of a lot else). Considering that this has been an issue for me since the early Yosemite betas (and not before then) and Avast hasn't picked anything up I'm gonna have to say it's not a worm. Especially considering that everyone I know who uses messages and doesn't reboot every other day has the same issue. It's not like it *immediately* uses all of that RAM; in fact, that I refer to it as a memory leak should indicate to you that it behaves as one. It's very well-behaved right now because I just killed and restarted Messages last night, but in a few days it'll be right back up there.

And that has what to do with Jobs? He didn't design the CPU; in fact, nobody at Apple did, it was designed and manufactured by IBM, with some manufacturing also being done by Freescale. IBM started making the chips in 1990, 6 years before Jobs' return to Apple. The company was not in a position to pull off an architecture switch in 1996, so the move from G3 to G4 was a logical one; switching to Intel at that time would have killed Apple.

Jobs wouldn't commit to a laptop version because the performance-per-watt just wasn't there. It's hard to sell a laptop with a 45min battery life because the CPU chugs rather than sipping. To top it off, the G5 ran extremely hot and no laptop cooling solution seemed to be able to keep it stable. The final nail in the coffin was IBM's failure to deliver faster chips as they had promised, coupled with their inability to supply enough parts. Freescale wasn't making these chipe, they were all coming from IBM, and IBM wasn't making them fast enough (in either sense of the word) for the desktop sales Apple was seeing; just imagine how things would have gone had they also tried putting them in laptops. Actually, it probably wouldn't have been much of a problem as very few people would have wanted a laptop that melted its casing, overheated, and became unstable; assuming you had it plugged in, as the battery wouldn't have lasted long enough to cause those problems.

The CPU issues were solved when Jobs pushed everyone over to Intel.

Hynix and Samsung. The same memory Apple uses today. And RAM upgrades have similar markup today, as well. Your point?

Apple only sells one model in each class, in each generation. Over the last 2 generations, they've added a new class and now sell an entry-level and high-end model. Of course you're going to find something the iPhone is better then in the rest of the entire market, which consists of hundreds of models targeted at all kinds of users. Since Apple only offers their very best, constrain your comparison to the very best Android has to offer, and keep your comparison within the same generation. You'll very quickly see your argument vanish. Yes, Apple wins on thickness and weight, whoop-de-doo. Oh, and the Moto X is the same generation as the iPhone 5; if you're saying that, in two generations (5s, 6), Apple hasn't caught up to that, I fail to see how you can say Apple is winning.

That's up to the developers of those apps, honestly. You brought up 3rd party apps and I responded, but it was in no way part of my point. It has nothing to do with Cook, Jobs, or really, Apple in any way. Your wording is telling, though; Jobs bred the Apple user's desire for a better experience and that still lives on in the mobile platform that came into existence under his oversight; if this were about Cook, you're right, that shouldn't be happening. Keep in mind that I started this line of conversation talking about their computer offering, not their mobile devices; you're the one who brought those into the fold. I think they're doing a fine job in the mobile space; the iPhone isn't my cup of tea, but they're going in the right direction for iPhone users. What they're destroying is their computer market, specifically laptops.

That's a matter of opinion, not fact. If you want a fact, how about the fact that I never compares OSX to Windows in that way? Another fact: we don't disagree on that point. If I thought the Windows experience was better, I'd be a Windows user.

I seem to have lost a chunk of my 5th paragraph. The end of that paragraph should read:

I don't care about Apple's applications, I've never used them and I probably never will. I do, however, care about their OS, the stability and performance of which has been degrading steadily since the loss of Jobs. I'm willing to bet most Mac users care about the OS, and that it is stable, even if most don't necessarily need to eek every possible bit of performance out of their machine. Issues like the keyboard and trackpad freezing (external inputs still work; Apple's "fix" is to sleep the computer for a couple minutes, which works about 10% of the time), Messages (which is now part of the OS) using over 2GB of RAM for its own process while making use of another kernel-level process that manages to eat 5GB (watching kernel_task go from over 6GB of RAM to 1.1GB just by closing Messages is freaking silly), that's one hell of a memory leak and there are apparently no plans to fix it. Since Lion, most of the time my mouse cursor disappears after playing a fullscreen video, until I CMD+TAB a few times and I'm not the only one. Still an issue as of Yosemite.

I experienced none of these issues in any version of OS X released while Jobs was active within the company. Lion was released while he was still alive, but his condition had become such that he was no more than a figurehead at that point.

You're absolutely right, though, that Apple's current momentum is coming from Cook. As I said, we're seeing the loss of the last of Jobs' momentum right now. My Jobs-era 17" MBP is absolutely brilliant, despite the GPU defect I had to repair (yes, I work on these machines at that level, so I literally know them inside and out) which is the result of AMD supplying a faulty part. It was even better running Snow Leopard, because if was fast and stable. It has since been replaced as my primary machine, by a 15" MBP Retina, but it's still very much in active use and, upgraded to 16GB or RAM and an SSD, still quite a performant machine. I wish Apple still offered a 17" line, screen real-estate is king for developers and graphic artists. That machine still has better battery life than most mid to mid-high end PC laptops today.

Care to give any examples of what was un-balanced about Apple's machines under Jobs?

As for the iPhone beating Android... 2nd or 3rd in every category isn't beating Android. The players are iPhone, Android, Windows Phone, and Blackberry. Blackberry isn't winning in any of those categories, so placing 3rd means placing behind Android and Windows. Windows isn't pacing ahead of Android anywhere, so placing 2nd means placing behind Android. As for screen quality, Apple hasn't lead that metric for the past 3 years. Yeah, they're winning in thinness (bendability) and weight, for those who like having to check their pocket every couple minutes to make sure they didn't lose their phone; personally, I've switched from lighter prones to heavier ones for that reason. If a weight difference of less than 2 ounces is making your arm tire out any faster, you should go get checked out. Also, really, the extra
The point I'd really like to drive home, though, is this:

Of course! That's why the OS is rapidly becoming slow and unstable, and major apps that exist on both platforms (like Adobe's suite) are routinely found to perform better on Windows. Wait, no, that's a problem for the kind of user who buys Apple products for what we both agree is the most important reason.

This is what Jobs did for Apple and what Cook is throwing away. As I said earlier, we're losing the all-around experience that people buy Apple for and seeing it replaced with "ooh look, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiny"! We disagree on why that's a good thing; I think it's great that I'll have another chance to buy cheap Apple stock in a few years, since I missed out a decade ago.

To put it another way:

Or a better OS. Or better hardware. Fuck the logistics, who cares how it's designed and assembled, how it's packaged, how it's sold, and what it looks like; it's no better performancewise than anything else out there, no more stable, no more reliable, all it's got going for it to merit the price tg is the "shiny" factor. Yes, it's pretty. Again, users don't spend nearly as much time staring at the shiny as they do using the software, so letting the software slip is a bad thing.

I've just about run out of ways to frame that point, so I'll stop repeating it now. At least, until I think up a few more, since I'm sure I still haven't gotten through to you.

Indeed. That doesn't mean it's not preferable to giving the phone their full attention. Ideally, their phone should have none of their attention, but we're talking about 'murca here.

Excellent point, but I don't think it'd quite be 75%. It would definitely be well above 34% for sure, though.

Handbrake is free and perfectly legal in the US.