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Comment Re: You can't make this shit up. (Score 1) 776

Seriously? You're going to claim that RoK explicitly confirming the diametric opposition of the MRM and PUA ideologies is somehow proof that RoK is part of the MRM instead of opposed to it?

First off, RoK doesn't explicitly reject PUA. It rejects MRM, but in rejecting the MRM it seems to define the movement differently than how those in that movement would define it. So RoK is distancing itself from something, perhaps certain segments of the MRM, but not the MRM as a whole.

What about the reverse? Would most guys in the MRM be shocked and horrified if they read a random sampling of articles from RoK?

Comment Re: You can't make this shit up. (Score 1) 776

Is RoK solely a PUA blog? Doesn't seem to be. The wikipedia page on the "Men's Rights Movement" lists RoK as a "site dedicated to men's rights issues". And no I didn't just edit it. So we've got:

1. RoK founded by a guy (RooshV) who is closely tied to the PUA community.
2. Wikipedia calling RoK a "site dedicated to men's rights issues".
3. RoK making no mention of PUA in its rather lengthy "About" section.
4. RoK explicitly disassociating itself from the MRM, but only by redefining the MRM in a way that's not entirely accurate.

To the extent it makes sense to draw a line between the MRM and RoK, though, I'll modify my claim: "There is significant overlap between those who share the stated goals of RoK, which have nothing to do with PUA, and the PUA community."

Comment Re:Metorite cult (Score 1) 190

Doesn't seem to explain the full biblical account. The voices he heard, for one, but also the claim that the "scales fell off his eyes" immediately after he was prayed for by Annanias. Of course you could argue those bits are fictional. The fact remains, though, that Saul was already "religious" prior to his experience on the road to Damascus.

Comment Re: You can't make this shit up. (Score 1) 776

I'm thick. How is Clarey distancing himself from the Men's Rights' movement proof of there being no significant overlap between the Men's Rights' and Seduction communities? To be fair, I may have mis-used the terms "Men's Rights'" when referring to folks like Clarey and, by extension, blogs like Return of Kings, since they (and it) explicitly reject that label. So I'll amend my position to be, "There is significant overlap between {men who strongly identify with the point of view of blogs like Return of Kings} and the pick-up artist community." That is, I would expect the average PUA community member to be highly sympathetic to the views expressed on Return of Kings.

Comment Re:new acronym (Score 1) 613

It doesn't make any sense to complain the term is pejorative. Any term those of us who find Social Justice Warriors repugnant uses to describe them will be pejorative, just as "liberal" is to a conservative or vice-versa.

I'm not complaining about the fact that it's pejorative. I was responding in disagreement to another poster who claimed it is not pejorative. "Liberal" isn't per se pejorative because it is frequently used in a non-pejorative sense. Liberals call themselves "liberals", for instance. "SJW", on the other hand, is almost exclusively used by folks who mean to evoke a connotation of contempt and/or disapproval. Which is pretty much exactly the definition of "pejorative".

Comment Re:Metorite cult (Score 1) 190

I agree Saul/Paul wasn't "spooked into religion" by a meteorite. I just wanted to hear his reasons for thinking that's the case.

Re: the road to Damascus, it's worth noting that Saul/Paul was already highly "religious" prior to that experience.

Comment Re:What the hell? (Score 1) 529

There is no single metric, true. But there are guidelines. We can look at Harvard's student body and objectively derive a profile based on numerically quantifiable traits (SAT scores + class rank). For instance, if 95% of Harvard undergrads scored above X on the SAT and 95% of Harvard undergrads had a class rank higher than Y then X and Y together define the type of student who has a reasonable chance of being admitted to Harvard.

I suspect Asians' share graduating high school seniors fitting the "Harvard profile" is higher than Asians' share of the general population. It's not their share of the general population that matters when trying to estimate whether they're "over" or "under" represented at Harvard, but their share of the set of the population with a reasonable chance at being admitted to Harvard.

Comment Re:new acronym (Score 1) 613

Nope: It only becomes pejorative when the actions of the people it is used to describe are in the majority condemnable - a point that repeatedly flies way over your narrowly focused head.

The term might have appeared occasionally in the past, but around mid-2013 it took on anew and wholly pejorative connotation. Especially when used in its acronym form. Here is the google trend for "Social Justice Warrior". The phrase is almost non-existent until April 2013. Here is the google trend for "SJW". It follows the same pattern, but isn't exactly zero prior to April 2013 due to the existence of a company named "SJW Corp." Now gamergate didn't show up until September 2014, so I can't entirely blame the uptick in "SJW" usage on gamergate. However, you'll notice the big spike in searches for "Social Justice Warrior" starts in August 2014, which is only one month before the big spike in searches for "gamergate".

It's when it's been used since to describe zealots like you who equate any resistance to your methods with being the worst kind of racist/sexist/...ist that it becomes pejorative.

For the record, I don't "equate any resistance to my methods with being the worst kind of racist/sexist". You don't know anything about me other than that I find the set of folks who frequently use the term "SJW" to be somewhat detestable. One needn't be a "SJW" himself for that to be the case.

Comment Re:new acronym (Score 1) 613

The term was pejorative from the outset, created by folks who disagree strongly with the SJW point of view. The fact the none of the three words is individually pejorative when taken out of context isn't relevant. Consider "bleeding heart liberal". "Bleeding" isn't per se pejorative. Neither is "heart". Neither is "liberal". But the phrase "bleeding heart liberal" is used almost exclusively in a pejorative way.

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