Why not mention EMC and Ericsson in the summary, who are the only other two companies in the consortium? They're not small companies - they have market caps of $57bn and $47bn respectively. RIM are about a third to a quarter of the size at $15bn.

There is no such evidence. Thank you for calling me a cunt.

To mooingyak - thank you. I am fairly thin skinned, so I tend to take criticism badly. Except from geekoid who didn't even read my post properly (his "out of habit" vs. my "convert" statement). I shan't follow him into ad hominem territory.

I posted it this time as a sign of solidarity - a show of strength from those of us who normally remain silent on forums where we're in a minority, against a rather aggressive and vocal majority.

Being a Catholic on /. is like extolling the virtues of Linux in a Microsoft shop. You know you're right but you can't keep hitting your head against that wall.

Thank you so much for posting this.

As an English Catholic convert, I am too scared of getting slapped down on /. to post anything on such subjects. You've got guts.

nic

Wow, I've been modded as a troll. Shows standards really are slipping on /.

As for "facts" recheck - THE POPE HAS NOT BEEN IMPLICATED ONCE.

Do your research instead of trotting out the same old lies over and over again. *sigh*

nic

In the UK the average petrol price is £1.16.6p/litre (according to http://www.petrolprices.com/ ).

Google tells me that 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres and 1 British pound = 1.5943 U.S. dollars

So gas (petrol) is $7.04 per US gallon over here.

For 100000km at mfr's figures my Prius would cost approx. $7250 (More like $8-10k)

For a typical car of that ilk, look at $14k+ for fuel. So saving $7k in fuel cost alone by the figures (or $4-6k or perhaps more, in real life).

Unfortunately for Netbeans zealots, it has never caught up with Eclipse. It may have surpassed it temporarily for certain apps (think Grails support - but look at STS 2.2.0). It's also not as good as IntelliJ IDEA (previously, always non-free).

Yes, both Netbeans and Eclipse are also RCP platforms, but how many real Netbeans platform apps are there? (The Nokia one on the web site is vapourware - yes it shows a real customer RAN - without their permission, I should add! - but it's never been a product delivered to customers). Real Eclipse RCP apps do exist (XMind, Lotus Smartsuite...). Realistically, they both over good RCP platforms (one pure Java, one SWT) but Oracle won't really care about that.

As for JDeveloper - well it's a typical Oracle product - if you're in an Oracle house, it's pretty good, but no, it's not got a large userbase or community supporting it.

Oracle should let Netbeans drift off into open source land. Perhaps it'll thrive? I don't know. JDeveloper's functionality should be ported to Eclipse (along with SQL Developer, while we're at it).

Oracle are great at giving you tools once you've signed up for the ride, and why not rebase your products on the best? Which in my opinion is Eclipse.

Check Ofcom. 3 have the best 3G coverage in the UK.

Can you elucidate on what is "Less Powerful" about GNOME? It may be less-configurable, but less powerful? No.

Having spent years piddling around, tweaking TWM, FVWM 1, WindowMaker, GNOME 1.x, I'm glad I have a desktop that "Just works". It's not fugly, has a consistent L&F (GNOME has a HIG) and does what it should out of the box.

Incremental improvements have worked in GNOME's case. OK, so the GNOME 3.0 project (check famous wiki page) has gone nowhere, because it basically is "Start Again" (again), but we're the better for not doing it. We have stability and usability.

Try Ubuntu 8.10, Fedora 10 or OpenSUSE 11.x live discs for a reality check. (And live Alpha disks with GNOME 2.26 are even better).

nic