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I'm starting to think that all these guys are just a bunch of teenagers with nothing else to do.

Can you guys just telling you when you finish moving? you guys have been threatening to move to FreeBSD since Kernel 2.6 and it's getting old.

Luckily your opinion is something I wouldn't even use to wipe my arse with.

An open source program is not finished until it somewhat runs, it's source is published, and people find it useful. Don't like it? don't use it or write something better, if you can't, just go cry into a corner.

After the initial gnome 3 fiasco I moved to kde now I run mate, but I think that gnome 3 is quite acceptable. The problem with KDE is that sometimes it's too distracting, and on other aspects is slow ( at least on my machine the file manager takes a while to load, meanwhile nautilus/caja loads instantly). Some of the functions of the programs offered by KDE don't actually work as intended ( at least in my experience). Some small things are annoying, for example when using the treeview in Kate, sometimes it has happened that I accidentally dragged a folder instead of clicking on it, and the editor loaded all the files inside, crashing in the process. Kate also has refused to open some files in write mode since it considers them to be too large, gEdit/Geany just open it and let me work. I like a lot of KDE stuff, however I find it kind of counterproductive to use, and slow/sluggish, specially the file manager.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... Refactor your whining and now start complaining how they are turning your linux into Mac OSuXXorz...

Yeah right because the kernel doesn't break its ABI/API on each release...

If they reached feature parity with the old Gnome 2/Mate . This is:

• Being able to change my themes without a 3rd party app at least as decent as the ones on MATE or Cinnamon.
• Desktop notifications not acting funky (Skype for example, spamming notifications, or closing itself when using the skype extension)
• Bring back nautilus statusbar... some people like to know how much space we have left when browsing files without clicking on properties, it was useful. I don't even know why they dumbed down one of the best file managers out there, nautilus was fast, and feature rich.
• Whatever you're doing with gEdit, please stop. Yeah we know that fancy NodeJS devs love these new Textmate clones that keep spawning everywhere, but people who actually work with a text editor need something powerful and flexible which doesn't mutate into another beast on every release. Also what's up with these new comic-like dialogs that get unusable if you aren't using the default ( horribbly padded) theme? get your CSS shit together
• Being able to drag and drop windows between desktops without switching to activities
• Usable menu entry editor

Outside of that I kinda like the new "workflow" of Gnome, but knowing that your favourite feature might be dropped on the next release doesn't look really good.

Yeah I'm sure that a reddit comment by "altarboylover" is a serious proof of your theory.

Shit that doesn't actually has anything to do with the point I was trying to make. But it's 2014 so you can always apply to get offended in order based a semantic difference to win a discussion online. Go write it on your tumblr.

The thing is that they don't have, they are not transgenders, they apply for a service that has a certain rule ( which I don't like either), they get a free pass because they are doing something "LGBT-ishy" and Facebook doesn't want trouble.

Drag queen is not the same as transgenderism:

Nope, these are just guys who likes to dress as women, they are not transgendered people they are just good ol' part-time pervs.

How is mate not integrated with systemd? I run fedora and LightDM + Mate works flawlessly? What do you mean by integration?

Desktop? what is a desktop? can you put icons in there? http://i1-news.softpedia-stati...

Marked as stable doesn't keep it from crashing each time I click on anything in the panel. I get that YMMV but all the other desktops are usable in my system.

Well thank you captain obvious.

I've been using both gnome and cinnamon alternatively last year, I think that cinnamon ends up being the winner . I like a lot of ideas of gnome 3, but it's shell is broken in many ways. Window management is broken, start any full screen app in wine and you will see that, windows that dissapear. Focus follows mouse is unusable (thanks to that strange menu from the application name thing that dissapears if you stumble with another window), on my system the shell starts eating up ram until I restart it I don't know why! Cinnamon doesn't do that! I've had more than 72 hours logged in with cinnamon and no memory increases. Drag to unlock not only is unintuitive (it doesn't say anywhere that you have to drag the thing) but it causes graphical glitches on my Nvidia 520 gt card (not even a weird/new model).

Also I don't know why it doesn't let you configure your font without resorting to the ugly mess that is Gnome Tweak Tool!, seriously we HAD that feature in gnome2, in fact we had a nice theme selector that still kicks ass as it was simple and yet quite nice.

The good side of gnome is that it has an interesting workflow, and it's extensions make up for some interesting concepts, and most of them work pretty well.

Cinnamon kicks gnome's ass in the following aspects: better window management (edge snapping rocks), a proper CONFIGURATION PANEL, yeah you can change themes, download new themes add widgets, configure the window manager, configure your font settings, install WM extensions, install desktop widgets, configure hot corners. Also you can edit the panel dragging and dropping around, instead of having to install a third party extension every time. No perceivable memory leaks.

The new nautilus looks good, but it's useless and Nemo kicks it's ass around in every aspect, it's easier to use, it let's you see your currently used space and resize icons in the statusbar (why in god's name they removed the statusbar???), it lets you change the treeview with a well placed button, and most nautilus extensions work with Nemo anyway.

After toying with KDE and then going back to gnome I must say that KDE has a lot of potential but needs to take care of some issues. Baloo or "semantic desktop" needs to be hidden, same for Akonadi, they are daemons for fsck sake! only visible when you actually want to get your hands dirty in configuring obscure settings with these services ( managing non IMAP/POP3 services on Akonadi for example), and you don't need really to announce your "semantic desktop" everywhere. Kwallet is great... if it actually worked like Gnome-keyring does, I have been prompted so many times for KWallet password or my user account passwords that I don't even know which password I'm being asked for. Activities, well it's a neat idea that, I don't know I think Aaron Seigo used them and found them useful, for me it means twice the configuration and no benefits whatsoever, it needs to be streamlined. Otherwise KDE is quite good.