I wish I had mod points for you. We have lived mostly peaceful lives here in the US up until the last 3 decades, during which we have molded our society into a culture of greed, selfishness and rampant hate.

Thank you! You're response is by far the best. I wish I could mod you up.

I have a question. Does the exploit work on Win 7 machines or just Win XP?

Yes I RTFAed. It doesn't really spell out what combo of IE and Windows are vulnerable.

That's how I talk you insensitive.

I agree about your point regarding the UAC on Vista and Win7. I disagree about the ribbon in office. If the ribbon really was such a great idea wouldn't other developers have started to adopt it? Microsoft made the APIs available. There are dev kits are out there... but here we are 5 years later with no one else using them.

I love that people on here bitch endlessly about how insecure OSes are. Then Apple makes a move to require devs to code in a more secure manner, result? They freak out. Did I miss anything?

Face to face is much easier because I can see what they're doing wrong easier. It's also easier to correct the issue in person. i.e. Slap them upside the head.

I'm a big enough man to admit when I misread something. I was tired and getting ready to head out the door at work so I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have. I've since arrived home and taken a nap so I see what you're saying now.

You're correct it is one more thing to worry about adding to the SOP for setting up a machine but it seems like a minor thing to me. I've seen Lenovo and Dell ship computers with PXE boot off and power management options turned off so going in to deal with something in the BIOS isn't that strange to me. In case you're wondering about what kind of scale I was dealing with, it was roughly 300 deployments a year per tech.

Either way all the major suppliers are going that direction so you'll have to face down the UEFI bios setting sooner or later. So in this case sticking your head in the sand and sending the PCs back without figuring out why it wasn't working wouldn't have done you much good, which I think was the kids point. Also I haven't seen a BIOS reset on it's own since the 90s so I wouldn't worry too much about the help desk having to walk someone through reconfiguring it over the phone.

Sorry for the hasty comment earlier.

I haven't had that happen since the 90s. Have you had it happen recently?

Me thinks you don't understand mass deployments. The help desk would never have to walk someone though modifying the BIOS because the computer would never be deployed if it wasn't changed before hand. I've had to work in many multi-thousand PC shops and we had to modify some of the BIOS settings on computers as we deployed them using a standardized image. We just made sure to make the changes as we unboxed and prepped them. If you're deploy techs aren't thorough enough to check that the PC boot BEFORE they deploy it then you have bigger problems that making changes to the BIOS.

You have Notes & Domino? You poor bastard.

I'm curious, what are the penalties for the second violation and third violation of killing someone on the list? Are they as sever as the Do Not Call list penalties?

The best defense is a good offense.

The guys in marketing usually have more sway with management, than the technical group, because they are better communicators/manipulators. If the technical teams understood as much about how the average business leader thinks and communicates, as the marketing team does, then they wouldn't loose quite as much.

They can dial back on their use of lights at night now. At least the should be able to around the Fukushima reactors. Everything there has been irradiated enough to glow like a bright night light, right?