I think it can get pretty interesting around here when people actually read the discussions.

We don't actually have to listen to them, do we?

^^^ This.

"*I* know what I meant; it's up to you to figure it out," is a horribly inefficient way to communicate, as well as lazy, selfish, and immature.

Yet both sorts of deaths are wrongful deaths caused by agents acting on behalf of the State. At least one sort is very easy to prevent. Whether the other sort causes more deaths, is less easily preventable, or both, has no bearing on this fact.

Funny, we do this to old folks all the time. And nobody seems to think that isn't torment.

This is the second time in this discussion I've had to point out the obvious: Most people want to continue to live as long as possible.

Or as the old saw has it, "Where there's life, there's hope."

Don't forget the two Aussie lads due to be shot any day now in Indonesia because Indonesia thinks possession of certain substances is worthy of death.

Even if we accept this as fact--and I do not--you yourself note that

You seem to have overlooked the simpler and obvious explanation: that people wish to continue living.

Obvious troll is obvious.

And this, kids, is why you don't drink a 6-pack on the golf course and then post on Slashdot.

Damn, I knew as soon as I posted, I'd find something I wanted to mod up.

I dropped my S5 in the Pearl River last month. Took about 10 minutes to fish out it again (was damned lucky to get it back at all, really). Still works like a charm. YMMV but that'll do nicely for me.