Then what exactly are you saying you want? Don't hide behind the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers and tell me exactly what it is you are advocating that is in some way different to what George Washington delivered.
"Hide behind the Fed/Anti-Fed Papers"? Seriously? Why do you think "what George Washington delivered" and what the *other* founders agreed on and included in the design of the nation based on the discussions carried out through those very Fed/Anti-Fed Papers is different? You *do* realize that the Federalist/Anti-Federalist Papers are as close to code-comments for the Constitution as we can get, right?
It sounds like you have not invested sufficient time in learning and understanding the history of the design and theory of governance behind the US Constitution.
Until you have, there is no possibility of having a rational discussion.
Good day, sir.
Strat
If not, then say what you mean instead of this childish shit of suggesting we are better of with something other than an elected government.
Congratulations!
What a marvelous strawman you created and killed! Too bad I never said anything like that.
It was Congress who passed the Patriot Act in a rush in the first place to create this mess, and you want to give them even more ability to stampede things through without ample time for people to learn about, understand, and form opinions and advocate for or oppose legislation?
Please take the time to read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers before criticizing a system you obviously do not understand.
A runaway/out-of-control Legislative branch is equally as dangerous to liberty as a runaway/out-of-control Executive or Judicial branch.
If you have a problem with the built-in safeguards against a runaway/out-of-control Congress included in the design of the US Congress by the authors of the Constitution, amend it.
Strat
So that the NSA et al can just get on with business as usual without elected officials telling them what to do?
Wait, I thought it was these same elected officials who authorized the "business as usual" you refer to? They were about to re-authorize the same "business as usual" when Sen. Paul filibustered, were they not? The US Freedom act which codified into law many of the provisions re: domestic surveillance, but which has been promoted as a "fix" despite that fact, was not up for a vote.
Gridlock was intentionally designed into the system as a safeguard against knee-jerk legislative responses in order that there was at least a chance that adults could rein-in such knee-jerk/runaway legislative actions.
You need to check your facts.
You'll love China. They've got all that without those expensive elections. Or how about the colonies when the King was in charge?
Again, rather than tossing accusations & insults you *really* need to check the facts and think before you embarrass yourself further.
As far as Kings and decrees go, the current occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has been doing a pretty good impression.
Strat
Didn't you see the Snowden docs last year saying Israel became the Sixth Eye?
No, I apparently missed it. Thanks, I will investigate and if accurate, modify my opinion accordingly.
Strat
the rather obvious point is that our legislative rules are specifically designed so that congress accomplishes nothing when there is no majority to push things forward
Yes, quite true.
The tone of your replies to me seems to suggest I am arguing against the things you've stated when I've made no such statements, and in fact agree that gridlock is not a bad thing, and is in fact an intentional feature meant to slow and in some cases curb legislative excesses.
Strat
Yes. Congress is typically quite industrious at violating the Constitution and destroying civil rights.
so you should be happy when congress is gridlocked or filibustered and unable to do any of those things
Yes, and...?
Was there a point here?
Strat
somehow throw a spanner in the works and cause a massive cost/delay to the government.
Are you asserting that congress would have actually gotten anything done during that time?
Yes. Congress is typically quite industrious at violating the Constitution and destroying civil rights.
I wish the partisans would STFU and realize this is a civil rights issue, not a partisan issue, for *everyone* regardless of political party, ideology, and/or religion (or lack thereof).
For those kool-ade drinkers defending the administration regarding domestic spying, do you want your political enemies to have this power to wield when they inevitably gain office?
Strat
Paranoid, much?
Those that would mistake paranoia with basic observational skills referencing events over the last 60 years are likely be on some type of 'agenda'. What some call paranoid, others are calling it 'having a big mouth', but you don't see that part now do you?
Don't bother. Just check Dave420's post history. He's drank so much of Leftist/Social Justice kool-aid that California is considering sanctioning him for the amount of water he wastes.
Strat
i never seen anything come out of israel that wasnt backdoored.. Icq skype etc
i think showden files had things about this also
I'd be far more likely to trust Israeli-produced tools as opposed to anything from the Five Eyes.
Strat
Paranoid, much?
Head in the sand, much?
Hot air, nothing compared to the US self imposed brain drain caused by fucked up policy, gamed and broken system. If they don't want to see things that are better in the hands of other countries then they should rethink the way things have been going in the US for the last 60+ years. The policy of 'keeping the people stupid' is not going to produce a superior product in any sector anyway so where are these idiots coming from on this?
An economic/social collapse is what those in power need to roll out martial law and complete the final stages of the "fundamental transformation of America" to a police state.
Strat
...What they mean by "export" is posting downloads or links to downloads of source code or binaries on the 'net.
Just another restriction on the communication of knowledge & free speech in the "Land of the Free".
The US I grew up in during the 1960s/'70s is dead.
Strat
You haven't laid out anything other than a bunch of baseless accusations. You should write a book about it, I'm sure it'll sell.
Bwaahahaha!
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything"
It's the Bart Simpson defense!
[Beetlejuice voice] And it just keeps getting funnier *every* *single* *time* I see it! [/Beetlejuice voice]
How about you just stick your fingers in your ears and go; "Lalalala, I can't hear you! Lalalala!".
Too funny!
Strat
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