I hope you have costings for that.

Nope, they haven't been photographed at all any detail at all. You would think NASA and people would be interested in having a look at how all the equipment on the moon is faring, and even find out where the actual coordinates of the damn things are, as opposed to looking at indistinct dots. But there you go. Maybe they just aren't bothered.

If you actually know how they work then it isn't. Several attempts are sometimes required to actually find the damn things in the first place and it can even be the surface of the moon reflecting the light back. Heck, there is even a massive discrepancy on the agreed coordinates of the landers and sites themselves.

The trouble is people have got themselves into this mindset of there being 'irrefutable proof', but when you look at it and how it actually works it is anything but.

Not if they themselves also had something to hide. It's a murky game these countries play.

Yer, he's the definitive Rochefort. To be honest, I would ban anyone making any musketeers films or series ever again because there simply isn't any point.

.....I always though I liked animals. Then I found I liked killing people even more.

Great line, usually overshadowed by Goldfinger's "I expect you to die!" Then there was Scaramanga's answer to a boardroom resignation all delivered brilliantly by the man himself. I'm afraid they really don't make them like that any more, and that isn't a rose tinted view.

You could just ask NASA what they did with Apollo. Already been done.

That is all.

Linus has already stated, and I've provided the very message, where he has point blank told Greg that this needs to be tested in distribution kernels before it ever gets anywhere near mainline.

If you're choosing not to see that then there's not much we can do here.

No he hasn't you liar. I'm afraid this propaganda ain't going to have any effect whatsoever on his views.

No it wasn't. Linus made his views on when this stuff will get merged, if ever, abundantly clear. It's not blown out of all proportion. That's what was written.

I don't know whether you're being this fucking stupid on purpose, but this shit needs shooting down and it currently is on the Linux kernel developer's mailing list. Existing and expected behaviour from the kernel does not get altered. EVER. Userspace does not get something different. That was made abundantly clear.

Who the fuck are you or Kay Sievers to tell kernel developers what flags they will now suddenly pass as debug that have been used forever? I'm afraid this attitude problem is going to get shot down in a very public way, as it is currently doing, by the kernel developers.

DBUS is so amateur hour it's seriously embarrassing for open source software.

Ahhhh, yes, it's out of context. Where do I keep hearing that one?

Many systemd proponents harbour fantasies of it being the one true way of doing......anything and want to wave away the problems.

This, by the way, is Linus's take on kdbus and why it won't be seen in the kernel for some time to come, if ever:

http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/...

Regardless of any other bullshit and hearsay, that is the policy of the kernel. When he says 'Kay', read any systemd developer. Oh, and no, it's not a joke and no he doesn't write the e-mails on the kernel mailing list for the goodness of his health.

We're interested in fact, not truth.