So do I, however, do you even know what the difference is between natural and enriched radio-isotopes? Are you stupid enough to think that a chemical fire from burning coal will produce plutonium and actually have a greater radionuclide release than the Nuclear industry? Do you think that a coal plant can release, tritium or radio-cobalt for example. Did you even question that statement when it was made and check for yourself? No, you didn't.

This statement is a fiction, produced from the statement "In normal operations a nuclear reactor releases less radioactive waste into the environment than a coal plant" into your statement. Converted to create the fiction that you shill, believing it refers to the entire nuclear industry - it doesn't.

Chernobyl release about 5 tons of pu-239 into the environment and Fukushima released plutonium chloride and oxide. Then there is releases from mining, enrichment and operational releases from reactors every two weeks (check the NRC guidelines for yourself) showing that the original statement itself is only half true.

You are saying that the coal industry is capable of exceeding these releases because you believe a fiction, not because you have checked the facts.

Except that these are the very people that be affected by the consequences of CO2 emmissions.

Thanks for the paper. The problem with the death rate figures comes from the IAEA being able to interdict and censor the WHO's published papers and data. This is blatant politic interference that skews the data preventing the real figures from being exposed. In Chernobyl studies into the aftermath of the accident's effect on thyroid cancer in children, funding for data collection was stopped while the evidence for the true harm was still being collected.

The data that was collected clearly showed the gestation period of the cancer in children exposed to cesium radioisotopes (some 6 years) followed by a dramatic rise in cases (from memory, 25,000 were recorded) before the funding was stopped. This measures only one radioisotope (as a nutrient analogue) with a short half life and no data was collected on other ones like strontium 90, pu-239, cobalt 55 with longer half lives.

Nor does it measure the harm to future generations because, like present measurements, the data does not exist. This doesn't mean that nuclear power causes less deaths, it means the data on actual deaths hasn't been collected.

You've got it. What I don't understand is why nuclear electricity is put in the same basket as coal and gas plants.

Because nuclear industry externalities are less immediate and more severe than coal and gas.

The incidents that Nuclear has gone through in the past 60 years only reinforce my view that it's a safe solution.

I'd suggest that much of the information about what has gone on in the nuclear industry has been subjected to PR spin and political interference to minimize the true situation. One only has to look at the regulatory powers the IAEA has over what the WHO can publish on matters nuclear to see an example.

If given all the fsck-ups that gave us Chernobyl, Fukushima and 3 Mile Island that's all that happened I think that it's pretty much OK.

Radionuclide releases from any source into the environment have consequences that extend beyond our lifetime. These are the most severe of many plant accidents yet the rest of the industry from mining to spent fuel containment *all* release radionuclides. There is nothing OK about releasing materials that cause cancer, failed pregnancies, introduces transgenic disease by altering the genome of life itself in all species including humans.

I'm saying this because coal/thermal have their exhaust pipe problems which affect a much greater percent of the population and hydro is in general an ecological mess that also involves massive population relocation.

If those materials decayed within our generation we may have been excused however, these materials will continue to cause these issues as the different daughter products decay in timeframes lasting hundreds to thousands of generations of humans.

I'm certain that what we have already done (with the existing nuclear industry mess) will make future generations consider us to be the most selfish and sort sighted generations that have ever existed.

If someone asks you to write a .bat file you should tell them to go fork them selves into a background process.

Which is where cygwin comes in. Microsoft sees this and answers it with powershell, which I don't mind actually, and fits in ok with the iterations sh has gone through.

Otherwise you are back to stabbing yourself with a fork.

No, (ambiguous && !precise).

I meant, use the cars to pollinate the flowers

And so ends what was once a good way for ideas to find funding. Trust some asshole to come in and fuck it up for everyone.

Pity yourself, it's an excellent summary of what you are doing now :-)

There's no intelligent debate to be had, or a debate at all. It's just the government violating the highest law of the land, and people who give a shit trying to stop them. They had no moral high ground since the beginning.

The point is, if the situation is dire and serious, the message should be as well.

Whilst that is true, paradoxically, the more dire and serious the message is, the easier for our controlled press outlets to manipulate it into something else, so the less people listen. Perhaps Snowden is just pressing a point in presenting the argument that way to make it, feel, really personal because it is.

When you're pointing out an injustice being committed by the government, you should be trying to get people to think.

You are right, I sense they will think 'EWWWW', however it's a mammoth task getting people to do anything until they understand why its in their own self interest. Slowly the legal framework is put in place, the use of such powers concealed and, sometimes not acted on. People never feel the impact and are dumbed down enough to be apathetic enough to allow more freedoms to be stolen. Look at the silly monkey

The self involved aspects of our own culture works against us as vanity makes so many of us desperately shallow and ignorant. Meanwhile those remaining in our western society who understand what freedoms are being stolen and twisted against us, scream in frustration as democracy is turned into a parody of what was supposed to be. A trapped is only closed when all avenues of escape are.

It would seem though that even in the intelligence agencies there are people saying 'this is gone far enough', recognised whoever is pushing this agenda as a domestic enemy and have been brave enough to stand up to the systemic corruption that is threatening to collapse Western society the same way the USSR was. They are ejected from the machinery.

I just hope that democracy doesn't become the experimental blip in history between monarchies and ogliarchies because we were too afraid and lazy to face the responsibilities of living in one.

Mainly from people like yourself who are so hoplessly inferior to the rest of the normal thinking population I would be need 3/4 of my brain removed to have double your wit. Obviously you are unable to explain whatever point you have to make, even when given an opportunity to do so. I can only gather that you are pointless. So back to 4chan, b/tard/.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

atoms, quarks and energy

legislation, mandates, buildings and chairs, cars, carpet, leasing agreements, legal departments, policy review boards. Snakes and snails and puppy dogs tails

It's fairly obvious that you are one of "those people" who haven't held any position that was responsible for anything other than themselves. If you ever work hard enough to understand higher levels of an organization, either in the business or government world, you will understand that the reporting and functional processes are as real as the dumb look on your face when you look in the mirror. That "nonresistant ethereal entity" controls much of your life.

Now go back to flipping burgers.

True, but also outside the scope of your question as they don't "comprise governments poorly organized systems".

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

It doesn't make the process any less of a component, it's just "something other than people".

When a person is in a government organization they have effectively zero lattitude to change it, they are a functional component that are either a tool that can be used or a problem that has to be solved all the way up the management chain to the executive. And even the executive has to make a government department function according to the articles of law that enacted it. Even the one person left who can change it, government minister or congresscritter, *still* has to act within the legal functional requirements of the Department. This covers the entire scope of your question.

A government department is a legal entity as much as a corporation is a legal entity as much as a person is a legal entity. If you choose to have a simpletons view of the world, that's fine. It won't change because you don't understand it.

Are you even vaugely serious. Have you ever read a peice of legislation longer than 10 pages in its entirety? The entire legal system is made up of words that can have you executed in some places. That's real, there is a legal process that dictates people to behave as functional components in an organization and act in a specific role.

Look, I only answered your question because I though your sig was fairly on the mark. However even government departments form components of the "system" you are describing.

Your mindset blames the people who need a job not the people that can resolve the functional issues of government. By all respects you should get this and I fucking truley regret trying to gently answer your question in a way that didn't make you look like a complete fucking idiot.

From the moderation, it suggests that pretty much the rest of slashdot gets this but I'll correct you grammar and answer it in the closed narrow way you need it answered:

Are government's and their poorly organized systems, comprised of something other than people?

Yes.

Stop being a fucking pedantic idiot. You asked:

Are governments and their poorly organized systems comprised of something other than people?

I answered processes. They're also comprised of legislation, mandates, buildings and chairs. All of these things were made by people however that is not what you asked. Under such ridiculous pedantry I could answer atoms, quarks and energy which would give you an accurate answer, just not a particularly useful one based on a reasonable supposition of what is meant by 'what a government department is comprised of'.