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Comment Re:How do you charge them? (Score 1) 330

In general, those that live in the cities either have garage parking or do not have cars.
Now, there is curb parking but again, not a big deal. All new homes are typically required by state laws to have parking for at least 1 car, if not several. It is trivial to plug-in to the house with a 240 v.
And at some point, charging companies are going to get smart and put more electrical hookups at restaurants instead of hotels.

Comment LOL (Score 1) 330

How do you get electric costing $10?
First, Tesla gets 250 MPC for the 85 KWH pack. Assuming that you fully charge it, it will be around 100KWH to do so (efficiency losts).
So, here in America, nighttime electric costs is around .06 / kwh. As such, this is less than $6 to go 250 Miles.

Now, gas costs 2/gal today but will go up. However, that means that you pay $25/for the 250 miles. However, note that it does not include oil, gas car maintenance, etc. So, that is minor, however, over 2 years, and at least 25,000 miles, the electricity will be 600, while the gas will be 2500. Starts to add up and that was with gas at 2/gas. Within a year, we will be back to 3 or 4. At that point, gas for the 2 years, will be 3800-5000, which is quite the uptick vs. the 600.

Finally, coal is currently 36% of America's electricity. Due to W's mercury regulations, coal will be below 33, probably 30% by 2018. Now, add on the push to drop emissions, esp. CO2, and I think that we will see coal be less than 25% of America's electricity by 2020.

Comment Re:Tesla's battery is around $400/kWh .. (Score 1) 330

actually, that 10K comes with the 2K supercharger. So, it is 8K/25, which makes it 325/kwh.
In addition, that was from 2 years ago. Since that time, tesla costs HAVE come down. As such, that is why Tesla has no issue with saying that future 85Kwh batteries are $12K (which is less than 150/kwh). Note that Tesla expects the first pack around 2022. IOW, Tesla is likely going to make a KILLING on 12K battery packs.

Comment It depends (Score 1) 330

It really depends on what you compare to. Take something like a VW GTI, treat it decently so that it last 20-30 years (and run it for all of that), and the GTI will obviously beat the Tesla.
However, note that many of the cars, including several GTIs that crashed into Model S, were totaled and have had SERIOUSLY injuries and deaths. Basically, they are REAL POSs. OTOH, all of the model S occupants walk away. The only one out of more than 50K cars, was a guy that stole it, ran it at 100-120 MPH, and then hit a 1920's light pole that bent SLIGHTLY, while splitting the car into 2 and throwing the driver. Interestingly, he died, but it is thought that had he had a seat belt on, he would have been arrested while trying to walk away.

Now, for the real story, the Model S already blows the doors off any vehicle that costs 50K and above in terms of say a 10 year lifespan.

Comment Re:Oh? Really? (Score 1) 330

massive tax subsidies? LOL.
First off, it is 7500 / car and most of that goes to hybrids that burn gas.
Secondly, it is a FRACTION of what is spent subsidizing oil, gas, and coal.
Third, Telsa Model 3 will cost LESS THAN 35K without a subsidy. And the 7.5K will bring it into the 20K.
If you do not want the subsidy, then do not take it. However, to avoid being a fucking hypocrite, I suggest that you avoid nat gas, electricity, food, etc.

Comment Re:Larger volumes don't make it cheaper... (Score 1) 330

For many products, price drops if they are produced and bought in large quantities. This is true as long as base material supply is available, or can be established. This, however, is a little bit of a problem for batteries. Based on the currently technology at least.

Actually, America has access to the cheapest lithium going. And there is enough here to supply the world with batteries for 100% of the vehicles AND batteries for home, JUST IN AMERICA.
So, no, that argument is gone.

Comment Some of you are so funny and foolish. (Score 1) 330

Tesla has charged $10K for an extra 25KWH combined with a $2K supercharger. That means that it is 8K for 25KWh, or $320 / KWH. Now, that was 3 years ago.
Since that time, Panasonic has since added more production lines, and more shifts. At this point, in another 2 years, Panasonic expects to have their equipment paid for. And you can bet that Tesla does NOT pay 320/KWH, even 3 years.
Point is, that when Tesla finishes their gigafactory in less than 2 years, they are suggesting that they will be less than $100/KWH.

Now, the interesting part is that when Tesla's Model 3 comes out and is less than 35K WITHOUT SUBSIDIES, it will cost less than the average ICE car that is bought. If the Model 3 is even close to the quality of the Model S, this will destroy every ICE sedan that costs 20K on up. The reason is that owning an EV is a fraction of the costs of an ICE. And compared to OLD ICE vehicles, it is MUCH CHEAPER. So, this will destroy not just new ones, but also kill the resale value of older cars. As that happens, panic will set in to automakers AND the owners. This will likely lead to companies like Honda, Toyota, Audi, MB, VW, GM, Ford, etc will see their sales, profits, and stock prices PLUMMET. And esp. for the German and Japanese whom are pushing hydrogen cars, which are pure junk.

Finally, EVs with more than 150 MPC will be charged every night, and most will not need a daytime charging. Here in Colorado, Xcel charges .12/kwh for daytime, and only .055 for nighttime. That price makes EVs a FRACTION of the costs of ICE (GGE to .80 on a 30 MPG car).
And multiple studies have shown that electrical generation and grid are FINE for 100% of all vehicles, as long as less than 25% of them charge in the daytime.
In addition, the studies have shown that it will actually save utilities billions since they will not need to run expensive on-demand systems and can go with nukes and other decent choice base-load power plants.

Comment Re:Not the same. (Score 1) 106

First off, cool about moss. I have been at the peak (just there last summer) a few times and have not see the memorial. I will have to look for it next time.

Secondly, Tesla does JUST FINE in the arctic circle, in nothern Finland, Sweden, and Norway. Why do you think that cold will impact a car here? The ONLY way that it would impact it, is if the battery is cold. However, nobody starts a race with a cold engine, so, you do not have to have a cold battery.
As to bringing the vehicle in an ICE, that is true FOR THE MOMENT. While I am certain that EV trucks will be out in 5 years, I doubt that they will be the norm for hauling race cars around.

Regardless, I have little doubt that within 2 years, EVs will make a HUGE impact on all racing tracks. Heck, a swappable battery on EVs will make it so that not only does the vehicles have the enormous torque of EVs, but also a quick change in the pit. And going up pikes peak will no doubt belong to EVs shortly.

Comment Re: Amazing! (Score 1) 106

Energy storage is NOT a problem with EVs. The price was.
The hybrids and POS like I3 and Leaf go with very little distance so that they they can keep their profits up. Tesla has it right in making cars with swap-able batteries in which the primary battery has 200-250 MPC. Next year, Tesla will introduce a pack that you can rent that will allow you to get 400+ MPC, which is perfect for distance driving.

Now as to the costs and efficiency, EVs blow the doors off ICE. There is a reason why you can get nighttime electricity at .06/KWH through more than 95% of America. You charge the car at nighttime, and most every car drives less than 100 Miles / day so this works.

BTW, most EV drivers fully support Nuke reactors. We NEED good base-load power systems.

Comment Re:Amazing! (Score 1) 106

Ah, the mightywind that is afraid to be up front.
First, Multiple studies in the US show that we have PLENTY of power to charge 100% of our vehicles. Of course, that depends on 25% or less being done in the daytime. But hey, do not let facts get in your way.
Secondly, the charging infrastructure is already in place in America. All of our homes have electricity. As to long distance driving, Tesla will have the nation wired for high speed charging by end of 2017.
Here is a better map of what is going on at this time.
Third, in 2 years, Tesla will have a car that costs less than 35K, without the subsidies, does over 200 MPC, and is still high performance along with high quality. Why would anybody want to buy POSs when you have such a car? The answer is, that only idiots like you will.
Fourth, once demand rises for that kind of car, you can bet that used cars will plummet in value.

Still attached to the kock brothers pants? Gas prices are a NONE issue. Electric cars car are coming down in price so much that ICE cars will be too expensive to own at $2.00/gal.

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