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Comment Re:Do you agree? (Score 1) 334

Nor did we last time. Nobody understands the list it seems :) But your point was "people won't find out", not they "won't understand".

"...But about half of the sites on the list are not related to child porn and include a slew of online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist..."
(Sydney Morning Herald)

Comment Re: seriously, think of the robots (Score 1) 111

You make an interesting point, if not necessarily for sexbots...

Think of the Star Trek movie First Contact where Data gets feeling on his arm from the Borg - image what a difference this could make to a robot?!

Imagine not only touch sensitive fingers, but the ability to detect wind, or feel past objects such as trees or guage the movement of a crowd. For a robot that's pretty cool.

This has big implications for the robot industry. They shouldn't look like us, but they should be as functionally similar to us as possible (or better).

Comment Re: "consecutively referred"? (Score 1) 590

Are you having a laugh? 12 children specifically chosen because of their having a specific diagnosis in a population of >60 million people in the middle of a mass innoculation aren't diagnosed with a similar syndrome.

yes of course, and I think you meant "aren't"? A lack of ethics approval is different to a specific ethics committee disapproval (which appears what they got, for valid reasons).

Comment Re:The debate is long from over. (Score 1) 590

Fixed that for you.

Seriously. You aren't claiming anything, you're just suggesting something that you are denying having said you even believe. So why are you saying anything at all?

wait, which one is the car?

*sigh* I'm not suggesting that MMR vaccine causes autism. This is my last post, if you guys don't get it then too bad.

I am saying "anything at all" because originally there was a comment

There is more anecdotal evidence to prove vaccines don't cause autism, so wouldn't that push the debate into being over, if anecdotal evidence is the measuring bar?

This comment in itself is wrong. Let's disengage the issue and analyse it. Paraphrasing:

"There is more anecdotal evidence to prove x doesn't cause y, so wouldn't that push the debate into being over, if anecdotal evidence is the measuring bar?"

Answer: No.

Reason: let there be a theory that f(x) = f(y) for all values of x. You could try and prove it by substituting numbers for x. You could show that thousands of values of x are consistent with your theory. This does not prove it.

You could find one value for which the theory does not hold. This does disprove it.

I am not saying that therefore the MMR - autism link is proven.

I am not saying that any child with autism who's had an MMR vaccine proves the link.

My original mistake was to use a personal anecdote in my post. I thought people might find it interesting. I'll take care not do to that in the future.

Goodbye.

Comment Re:The debate is long from over. (Score 2, Informative) 590

As a parent I can understand those that prefer to error on the side of caution, because even with 1000 to 1 odds against it happening that is still your kid that you are risking.

I'd suggest looking up the mortality rates of the diseases you're failing to immunize against.

Negatory ghost rider. Statistics mean nothing to the individual, only to large groups. According to statistics, both my kids should have had Down Syndrome (from the scans) but neither of them have. That doesn't disprove the measurement theories for early detection of Down Syndrome, just that in my case we had 2 exceptions.

If he wants to ignore the vaccine, and go with the consequences, then that's up to him, so long as he accepts the consequences whatever they may be (including death).

Comment Re:The debate is long from over. (Score 1) 590

Or its proof there was something else wrong with the person who took the vaccine and it was all coincidental that they showed symptoms after being vaccinated.

And you're telling me this because...?

Let me say it slowly: I. Agree. With. You.

I'm not drawing any links between MMR and Autism. I was just talking about proofs in and of themselves, nothing to do with MMR / autism.

The night before I showed symptoms of ALL, I had been playing with a late 1970s Han Solo blaster pistol in my uncle's unfinished basement. Dose that mean a toy gun, an unfinished basement and/or playing are linked to ALL?

If that's what you want to think, but that's going a bit far.

Comment Re:The debate is long from over. (Score 2, Insightful) 590

"Descending into autism" is an awfully broad term. It's sure as hell not scientific. Just right for anecdotal evidence really.

I'm not trying to use it as scientific evidence. I said "descending" because she wasn't diagnosed until much later, but the symptoms started then.

If you talk to autistic children's parents you'll find they often describe it as a descent. Changes don't happen immediately, or from birth, but they often reach a developmental point and then start going backwards, hence my use of the word

The scientific studies conducted over hundreds of thousands of people that showed no evidence that MMR caused autism may carry more weight than what your friends say.

Of course, but I never claimed to:
  - be a scientist
  - conduct studies
  - believe the link between MMR and autism

I was previously talking about proofs. I used an example because I have a close relationship to the story.

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