Comment Re:welcome to the post-9/11 world (Score 1) 191
The untruths consisted of:
Accusing Republicans of passing the Patriot Act in 2000 â" the stupid law passed Congress 357 to 66, and Senate â" 98 to 1.
No, I said they rammed it through, which is different. The act was introduced by a Republican, and all House Repubs except 3 voted for it. For comparison, 62 Democrats opposed it.
Part of how Republicans rammed it through is by accusing Democrats of being weak on national security. I think you have an idea what I meant.
Accusing Republicans of introducing the civil forfeiture laws â" a mistake you've already acknowledged since.
No, I acknowledged there was history behind civil forfeiture.
It's interesting that you omitted the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, which was part of the Reagan-era ramp up of the War on Drugs. All the articles I've read call that act the turning point in Civil Forfeiture. Now who is lying by omission?
Implying, Republicans are the reason, our Second Amendment right is trampled â" and, at best, is treated as a mere privilege at best. You said nothing on this explicitly, but your post was a reply to mine, where I was talking about the Second Amendment and nothing else.
I don't think any reasonable person would read this thread and think I implied Republicans have trampled the second amendment.
No, you didn't explicitly say "Democrats are innocent", but a lie by omission is still a lie.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.. You have ignored many valid points that I've made (e.g. about NSA Warrantless surveillance) and have cherry-picked and flat-out put words in my mouth.
Let's not beat around the bush. Republicans have (throughout my lifetime) been the advocates of National Security at all costs, and Crime Control at all costs. They have pushed Democrats to the right on these issues by repeatedly accusing them of being weak of national defense, weak on terror, and weak on crime. You are right that Democrats have had a hand in it, but it is very reasonable to say Republicans have more culpability here.
I enjoy lively debate, and would continue this conversation if I thought you were serious about finding the truth. You only seem to want to argue in favor of your tribe, so I'm going to walk away from this conversation.