Comment Jane/Lonny Eachus goes Sky Dragon Slayer. (Score 1) 342
.. physicists are now saying "Climate scientists should start listening to physicists about physics." [Jane Q. Public, 2012-04-14]
Does Jane listen to physicists about physics?
.. A cooler object cannot increase the temperature of a warmer object via thermal radiation. It just doesn't happen. Ask any physicist.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-04-17]
.. An article by Spencer linked to elsewhere in this discussion (look for "Yes, Virginia") describes this concept of back-radiation, which is central to many of the AGW models. The article that I linked to above is by a Ph.D. physicist, refuting the first article.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-04-18]
Does Jane think PhD physicists are credible regarding physics?
And yet the "climate scientists" themselves have not been asking the statisticians about the math or physicists about the physics. [Lonny Eachus, 2012-04-20]
Does Lonny Eachus ask physicists about the physics?
.. climate scientists themselves have not been consulting
.. physicists about the physics! [Jane Q. Public, 2012-05-02]
Does Jane consult physicists about the physics?
.. How many of the CO2 models rely on the concept of "back radiation" to explain the radiative forcings? There's a bit of a problem with that: "back radiation" is physically impossible. Again see that link to the article by Latour (a physicist) who shows very clearly exactly why that is so.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-05-10]
So anyway, here is physicist Pierre Latour, refuting Spencer's explanation: bit.ly/JV9XmI [Lonny Eachus, 2012-05-21]
.. the CO2-warming model rely on the concept of "back radiation", which physicists (not climate scientists) have proved to be impossible. I'm happy to leave actual climate science to climate scientists. But when THEIR models rely on a fundamental misunderstanding of physics, I'll take the physicists' word for it, thank you very much.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-07-05]
Does Jane actually take the physicists' word for it?
.. now it's physicists saying that they've got the physics wrong.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-07-05]
.. They have been accused of getting the physics of their models wrong by professional, well-respected physicists. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-07-05]
Actually, the rules aren't even well-known. The majority of CO2 warming models rely on a concept of "back radiation" that (according to physicists) does not even exist.. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-07-15]
After Namarrgon notes that Dr. Latour is actually a chemical process engineer, Jane admits his mistake:
By the way: Latour is a process engineer with particular expertise in thermodynamic control systems. If I were in a room in which you challenged him over thermodynamics, I'd probably want to go outside to avoid the bloodbath. Good luck with that whole argument. To say it's weak is just.. well.. weak. [Jane Q. Public, 2012-11-20]
A large body of scientists who are PHYSICISTS agree with me. A large body of scientists who are CLIMATE RESEARCHERS disagree.
.. which group should I listen to? The ones whose SPECIALTY it is, or the tyros? Go learn a little humility yourself. Like for example learning to admit when you're wrong. [Jane Q. Public, 2013-05-30]
I showed Jane statements from the American Institute of Physics, the American Physical Society, the Australian Institute of Physics, and the European Physical Society. Spoiler alert: mainstream physicists don't agree with the Slayers.
Maybe Jane doesn't actually take the physicists' word for it?
.. To the best of my knowledge -- and I have been following the issue -- not one physicist has even attempted to refute LaTour's analysis, while a number of physicists have backed him up.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2013-05-30]
rgbatduke is Prof. Brown, a physicist who'd refuted Dr. Latour's analysis directly to Jane, but as usual Jane just doubled down. On a Slayer blog post about Prof. Brown, Lonny Eachus even repeated Jane's arguments to physicist Joel Shore, who refuted Lonny.
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus doesn't actually take the physicists' word for it?
.. I consult "the experts". When it's a question of physics, for example, I look to references from physicists, not climatologists. After all, physicists are "the experts" when it comes to physics. [Jane Q. Public, 2013-11-15]
Does Jane really think physicists are "the experts" when it comes to physics?
.. First, they mention the theory of AGW "radiative" forcing, which as I stated earlier is probably myth, according to physicists and experts in radiative heat transfer.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2013-12-23]
Funny.. it's physicists and recognized experts in radiative heat transfer who are disagreeing with the concept. Since the concept involves physics and radiative heat transfer, I am rather inclined to believe them over "climate scientists". [Jane Q. Public, 2013-12-24]
.. Jesus, man. This guy designed heat transfer control systems for NASA. Do you really think he's going to make that kind of mistake? [Jane Q. Public, 2014-02-11]
Hopefully he just made elementary mistakes, rather than deliberately spreading civilization-paralyzing misinformation. Sadly, the result isn't too different either way.
.. Further, why do you imply that climate scientists are experts on thermodynamics? That's an area of physics, not climatology, and I know some physicists who very much disagree with today's mainstream "climate science". [Jane Q. Public, 2014-03-07]
.. I repeatedly linked you and others in the past to PHYSICISTS who say otherwise.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-03-21]
.. Latour is a control engineer for chemical processes and he has designed heat-transfer systems for NASA. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-03-22]
Latour designs heat-transfer control systems for a living. He did it for NASA, among other notables. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-03-24]
.. There are also physicists who worked for NASA, and other science professionals, currently challenging the very foundations of AGW theory.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-03-31]
Does Jane think physicists who work for NASA are credible regarding physics?
.. Even if you did not take his word for it, his career building control systems precisely for the purpose of managing heat transfer would strongly suggest that this is hardly something he is likely to neglect.
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-08-01]
.. Dr. Latour did heat-transfer work for NASA, and has made a career of building control systems for chemical processes involving heat. I daresay he is more of an expert on the subject than "Khayman80".
.. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-07-25]
Did heat-transfer work for NASA, or managed NASA's Apollo Docking Simulator development? Doesn't seem to matter, as long as he did it for NASA. If having worked for NASA gives Dr. Latour credibility, shouldn't Jane find climate.nasa.gov credible?
Jane's repeatedly implied that working for NASA gives one credibility, that physicists are "the experts" when it comes to physics, and that Jane "takes the physicists' word for it." I'm skeptical.
.. why can a layman so easily poke holes in your "physics" arguments? I'm not a physicist, and haven't claimed to be one. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-08-01]
If Jane thinks he's poking holes, maybe he's the Black Knight. Jane has claimed to "take the physicists' word for it," but I'm skeptical.
".. non-person.. disingenuous and intended to mislead