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Comment Re:Ohhh the irony... (Score 1) 744

People stand up to the Phelps' gang all the goddamned time. They show up to shield grieving families as they bury their sons and daughters. They show up at Phelps' disgusting little protests and have their own counterprotests. What those who march out against Phelps and his gang of twisted monsters, and indeed even Phelps and his gang of monsters don't do, is hide behind masks like cowards. I'll give that evil bastard Phelps his due, he's got the courage of his twisted convictions, unlike those pathetic worthless Anonymous members.

There's the problem, why should people not only have to endure hateful groups like WBC, AND also have to use their own tactics against them? I couldn't think of anything worse than having to deal with burying my son, and then having to hire or get groups to protect my family against groups like the WBC during the funeral, turning what is absolutely the worst day in the life of a parent into a circus, forever destroying the emotional release and diginified celebration of a life which is a large aspect of funerals and the healing process! Free speech be damned, this isn't at all about free speech, this is entirely about hateful groups that get away for some reason by knowing how to push the boundaries of human decency, to further their own despicable agenda inflicting horrific mental pain and hurt at others just trying to cope with life during traumatic events. Under no circumstances should behaviour like this be tolerated or justified.

Comment Re:Ohhh the irony... (Score 1, Interesting) 744

So you would suggest that WBC should just be able to keep doing what they do best, victimise and harass people and families during the time of their greatest despair? I guess this is okay seeing as they are just a "tiny (just one family I believe) group of fringe fanatics that everybody laughs at"? At what point does anyone have the balls and the decency to stand up and say "heaping so much hatred and stress to bereaved familes because it's freedom of speech is a crap excuse for being a worthless human"? Well regardless of their good or bad intentions as some say, Anon have done just that. I'm sure the families victimised by Jennifer Petkov (seriously google it) could just "brush off" the torment they received as Jennifers right to free speech! The right to free speech ends when it is war or hate mongering as in WBC, and/or targets people in a victimising or harassing way, again as in WBC. So to all those who think WBC has every right to continue their harrassment, instead of it being some unknown individual copping it, just picture it being YOUR mum or dad, or sister or brother, being on the receiving end, and then see if you still think "free speech' is fine?

Comment Restrictions on accessible sites (Score 1) 804

Although a lot of UNI/higher ED can be insanely boring, I kinda tend to think that at a minimum there should be a list of run of the mill social networking sites, among othes, that shouldn't be able to be accessed from wi-fi during lectures/classes. ACL's should be able to be implimented quite easily based on registered MAC's and class schedules. Although the MAC's being registered presents ethical and legal problems itself. Don't really know what the answer is here, but I know myself when I was at UNI the dopes that were there only to avoid having to work for the dole were very distracting and annoying. If they had also had laptops in class it would have been murder listening to "check this out maaaate" constantly during lectures.

Comment Re:Goes both ways... (Score 2) 645

The only difference is that people like Richard Dawkins are actually very talented and educated people,

It may suprise you that it is possible to be intelligent AND believe in the supernatural. As Stephen Gould famously put it,

"Either half my colleagues are enormously stupid, or else the science of Darwinism is fully compatible with conventional religious beliefs—and equally compatible with atheism."

Quotes are always great, here's one I like from no less than the esteemed US Governor "Jessy "the body" Ventura: "Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business." And another great one from George Bernard Shaw: "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality."

I would extend his argument to just about any belief-- just because it may be wrong (be it scientific, religious, or political), doesnt mean you have to be a moron to believe it.

If I believe I can fly by taping feathers to my arms does that make me a moron? Or is EVERY level of irrationality or stupidity perfectly acceptable in order to attempt to throw some form of legitimacy on or promote someone's totally illogical and UNVERIFIABLE view and opinion?

believe that the bible (created by MEN centuries AFTER the supposed birth of Christ)

Youre going to have a rather tough time explaining the Septuagint or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

No, not really, they are right up there with my other favourite (literal) fictional books, the Illiad, the Golden Fleece, and of course "Christine by Stephen King. Btw, do some research on how the church refused dissemination over the decades on the contents of the dead sea scrolls as initial discoveries indicated it contradicted the modern churchs teachings and standing. It's quite interesting.

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