Secular democracy? Present day Turkey? You must have missed the memos from Erdogan. The king of Jordan said it best, (I paraphrase): Erdogan thinks of democracy as a bus, when he reaches his destination, he's going to get off."

And currently Turkey is turning a blind eye to Daesh if not actively supporting them.

Erdogan is whore. He and his band of religious nutjobs will turn Turkey into an Islamic theocracy in 10 years with no democracy left.

To use C#, I'd have to trust MS. Never.

It might run on winders, but the bugs are not OS related. They are, however, related to the stupidity of Hospira and their software guys.

One person above raised an interesting issue, which we have all known about. If you clamp down on security, users find the system unusable. Normally, this isn't such a big deal but in medical systems it is a very big dead due to the possibility of people dying as a result...either too much or too little. Solving this problem is critical for medical systems, i.e., how do you make the security tight but flexible enough to be properly managed. People do stupid things, like lose passwords, let viruses go inside security perimeters, etc.

1. All that will happen is that CCIN will disappear and magically pop up again with a new name, different premises, different phone numbers, but with the same slimeballs in charge. The companies will whine, if they find out about it, to the Chinese government. The Chinese government will open an alleged investigation and that will be last anyone will hear the investigation. Meanwhile, the companies will again become frustrated, do to the new entity what they did to CCIN. Go to 1.

Solar threatens their manhood. It is associated with the little girl in them that they have spent their adult years denying. It is the same impulse that gets them all excited about firearms and libertarianism.

And most of them are anti-Apple for the same reasons.

The King of Jordan once said of Erdogan (I paraphrase) "democracy is like a bus to Erdogan, once he reaches his destination, he's going to get off." That pretty much sums up what a whore Erdogan is deep, down in his black little heart.

Logic has a long proud tradition in philosophy. And it continues to do so. Try googling for "logic philosophy department" and note all the major universities that show up.

Yes, that's true about a Doctor of Philosophy in Computer Science. However, you'd have to be daft to think of that as a true philosophy degree.

Just for the record, I taught the graduate level sequence in first order logic and recursion theory at a major university for two years. I'm very well aware of philosophy depts. and logic. Check out Stanford's program sometime.

That's if the point of an education is to get a job. The point of a liberal arts education is not to get a job, but to have a well-rounded background in many areas and capable of a depth of thought. Many things in the world are not as they appear on the surface. That you may find a job given that education would be a wonderful thing, but it isn't the point.

I would argue the point of a STEM education is also somewhat misguided. The point it to be proficient in a particular field or more than one field. The fact that you can get a job on that basis is secondary. And if you never learned how to think hard as a result of your education, you will sooner or later fail in a technical field.

All of this collides with the brutal fact that without a job, you aren't going anywhere no matter how educated you are. However, if I stuck to only learning what I *thought* I needed in math and logic, I'd be damn near useless in my current position...hell, in most of my previous positions as well. If I never learned anything outside of STEM, I'd be useless as well.

Logic is taught in the philosophy department.

yeah, yer right, comparing apples and oranges produces first class innuendo.

There is no they in the sense of a bureaucratic determination. There was just some reporter asking questions of people who may or may not know what really happened.

Stop watching TV.

You...errr...do realize the web site telling us this is MacRumors, right? Maybe you got a memo from Apple?

Yep, that Brit must have Churchill genes or something, so he should be held directly responsible for Dresden.