That's because back then the software was sold to the customer, instead of the customer being sold as the product.

Seriously? You're going to claim that RoK explicitly confirming the diametric opposition of the MRM and PUA ideologies is somehow proof that RoK is part of the MRM instead of opposed to it? By your own twisted logic you may as well claim Jezebel is an MRA website.

Also conflating the MRM with PUAs is basically the the single most common way of lying about the MRM out there, just look at the number of articles (Cracked's being the most egregious) which constantly link to R/Redpill or RoK but never to R/Mensrights. Wikipedia claims that RoK is part of the MRM for the same reason it claims Gamergate is responsible for everything up to and including Gout and Kidney Stones: Wikiproject Feminism and Feminism in general's politicization of wikipedia through the Woozle effect and a clique of essentially unbannable editors.

If you want to know what the MRM is it's trivially easy, all you have to do is go to R/Mensrights and read for yourself instead of literally doing everything in your power to AVOID firsthand evidence and stick to listening only to people whose money and power are directly threatened by the very existence of the MRM.

You mean like the several hundred journal articles cited right there on that "wanker's homepage"?

You realise you just said "There is significant overlap between those who identify with pickup artist blogs and pickup artists" right? You literally just said "there's significant overlap between PUAs and PUAs"

Except for the fact there's hard evidence proving you're wrong.

He's also not remotely a part of the Men's Rights Movement, he's a Pickup Artist.

See my post above listing the current 25 topics on the R/Mensrights subreddit. The most popular, widely supported, mainstream feminist authors and writers are the same people who joke about actual domestic violence and actively obstruct all attempts at reforming badly broken systems and laws. The mainstream of feminism is so extreme that it's no longer a surprise when felonies or even violent crimes are committed by the large mobs of feminists protesting anything that so much as isn't sufficiently anti-male.

You've got this backwards. Even the most extreme MRAs like Karen Straughan are still orders of magnitude more moderate than the mainstream feminists who pull fire alarms, shove people off of ledges, and sing "cry me a river" to mock suicide victims.

70% of non-reciprocal violence, 50% of all violence overall, and 40% of severe violence is committed by women against men. There are several HUNDRED studies proving this.

Anyone who follows the movement knows perfectly well you're flat out lying, which isn't surprising given you're part of the group of people who routinely commit felonies and violent crimes up to and including shootings and bomb threats to try and stop MRAs from getting anything done.

Right now the frontpage of R/Mensrights has the following topics in order:
1. Women getting 12 weeks of maternity leave from the navy while men get 10 days
2. Bahar Mustafa's criminal misconduct
3. A blind father being denied custody
4. An anti-genital mutilation protest
5. A link to a blogpost talking about how sexist it is to treat women like eggshells that can't even handle clapping
6. A discussion of The Guardian's hypocritical comment deletion policy
7. A topic about how male rape victims are completely erased starting even in highschool anti-rape classes
8. The UK Police force admitting it refuses to prosecute women who perjure themselves
9. A blogpost discussing the various studies about rape accusation rates and rape in warzones
10. A discussion about why the media is so incredibly biased in favor of feminism
11. A discussion about whitewashing history, the example given being erasing Margerat Sanger's extreme racism and portraying her as a good feminist role model
12. A lawsuit against a university for violation of equal protection/due process rights
13. A post about a woman who got multiple gifts destroying a man's clothes and threatening him with violence because she didn't feel it was enough
14. A guide to recognize signs of abuse
15. Links to Obamacare's expanded coverage of women's reproductive health... and how it still covers nothing for men
16. An article about male congressmen refusing to be alone in a room with female staff
17. A discussion about where men as a gender are headed if things continue as they are
18. Dan Perrins' hunger strike
19. Links to a poster series in Oz about male victims of intimate partner violence
20. A stanford research study on which environments boys and girls perform best in
21. A discussion about a man who was raped, hasn't seen the police or counseling, whose girlfriend isn't attracted to him anymore afterwards, and who says he's "fine"
22. A TED talk pushing against incarcerating women and lionizing female murderers serving life sentences
23. An update on Vladek Filler's acquittal
24. A discussion about "National Women Build Week" at Habitat for Humanity; The OP was disappointed it was a fake publicity shoot that ignored the only actual female worker
25. A post about Prince Harry suggesting the UK bring back conscription for men.

Meanwhile pretty much everything published by feminist media celebrities like Marcotte, West, and Valenti is a long string of slurs attacking men.

Except for the fact that, yknow, they're diametrically opposed ideologies. I mean there's plenty of overlap in the sense that feminists insist they're the same people for politicial convenience, but that's it.

The recent revelations in the Sulkowicz/Nungesser case made it necessary to find an MRA boogeyman to beat up on for a bit, since they didn't actually have anything they had to make something up. Hence claiming that people who outright despise the men's rights movement are "MRAs".

Except, yknow, you actually can based on skeletal differences...

I'm just trying to keep track since first they weren't white, then they were white when everyone wanted to attack the tech industry and particularly google for being "too white", and now apparently they're not white again. Is there a newsletter I can subscribe to? Maybe a calendar or twitter feed that keeps us all up to date on who's "white" or not today?

Now if only one of them would tell me how to get my rice to come out like every fucking generic chinese takeout restaurant somehow manages to get perfectly right every single time...

And scrolling down that page what do we see? Exactly what I just said: A slur used against anyone and everyone the submitters dislike to the point it's become a generic non-word for "thing/person I hate". You talk about MRAs (and men in general) the way the nations of the Arab League talk about Jews, like they're some vast evil borg-like collective of fungible non-individuals that are all collectively responsible for every hyperbolic evil and imagined slight in the world.

Let me give you a tip: When you dominate the entire media to the point even mainstream newsmedia unhesitatingly publishes the most vile and hateful screeds, when you engage in violence and crime to such a degree that it becomes routine to expect felonies assaults or bomb threats from your group (all without consequences), when you have staggeringly powerful multi-million dollar lobby organizations which pervert federal law to the point dozens of the nation's most preeminent legal scholars refer to your policies as "madness" which will leave everyone participating in "disgrace", and when you have such profound institutional power that you continue to monopolize all aid and even the very identity of victimhood to the point certain crimes are called "violence against women" despite HUNDREDS of studies proving a 50/50 split... you are not oppressed. You are the oppressor.