thanks for responding here. it did read like an ad, and i did not get a clear idea on what's so special about this company from the summary - it went round and round with cars, construction equipment... i got lost

not even through a turn, but before a turn - the most common case.
i was actually thinking about this being applied to motorcycles, but the thought of getting a bike that's harder to lean if you have applied brakes previously makes ma cautious :)

or something.

i just came here to make fun of "this remaining ... systems" :)

most european countries actually send and _invite_ observers from other countries.

it would be an interesting experiment in the usa, though. what's their official stance on observers ? :)

do you mean russian soldiers wandering outside of their bases, which was prohibited by ukraine-russia agreement?

i'm not sure about the usa. most eu nations seem to be very concerned, especially given that many of them have just slipped out of the totalitarian grip. i would agree that they don't have purely altruistic goals - they have survivalistic goals. they know they are the next...

it's definitely close to what hitler did. it's almost like putin is roleplaying hitler.
just one example of many is to compare putin's speech with hitler's speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6SB9sqCevk#t=1h50m11s

you whitewash evil actions. decide for yourself what does that make you. it might seem ok right now, but such approach does seem to eat the consciousness from inside.

i don't know what's that funny about it - it's current. it's right there. it's fuelled by the government.

hopefully it will be funny in some years. right now it is very, very dangerous.

interesting how you tried to change topic to things happening during and around ww2. if you want to do that, you'd have to include things russia and russia-created soviet union did - and you won't like the comparison. so just don't.

first, if you would like to stick with real voting, you would have to do a real, honest vote. bringing in the army shows that even russia does not believe in such a vote in crimea :)

also, i have no idea what is usa/obama propaganda. i can't recall seeing a single usa news item on ukraine - i try to follow various sources from ukraine.

"maybe your viewpoint would cause suffering if adopted" - looks like a classic fud to me. "oh, so these actions have caused definite suffering, but but but, the other way around could cause some, too !" - except that ukraine had no real problems, no clashes, until russia invaded.

if you want to look at pot/kettle, look no further than the nazi extremism in _russia_, the actions against immigrants and even people from republics of russia, the massive hatred towards ukrainians that has been bred by the mass media. that is where lies, resulting in suffering, are coming from. there's a lot of handwaving from russia today and similar sources, and it is sad to see people succumbing to that, assuming they are not paid for the disinformation in the first place.

when you say "Russia gave up the Ukraine" it's as if they owned it - well, they kinda did, by extension of the soviet union. but i don't think anybody sane would use that as an argument.

"replaced it with a more pro-NATO one" - that is false. even the new government never mentioned nato. except that the russian movements in crimea actually got them worried enough to mention it, and even then say that they are not looking to join nato...

"it's a hell of a lot more real than people like you seem to think" - in 2013, ~ 10% of the residents of crimea would have voted for joining the russia. sorry, invading a territory and staging a "vote" is not acceptable, even if you try to hide it behind rephrasing.

it could be debatable, but not in the context of this story. otherwise one could say "oh, but north korea is worse than russia... for now"

they might be russian, but in 2013 10% wanted to join russia. i guess invading the region with military can really motivate one, eh ?

i visited crimea in 2013. russians, especially those who had migrated to crimea recently, were quite vocal about how they are russians... but they do not want to live in russia. they surely did not have to be "saved".

you might not care that your advocating leads to suffering of many people. if so, your evilness will eventually eat you from inside.

there are no sources claiming anything like that, even not russian ones. the first thing happening in crimea was invasion by an army wearing no insignia.

not sure what the usa media did - don't think i've seen any detail on ukraine from them. not sure what media you follow, but it seems to be heavily cremlin controlled. your account of the events is wrong - either on purpose or not, that determines your evilness.

yanukovich cancelled eu cooperation (not even close to membership !) agreement, taking a loan from putin instead. a small group of students and like-minded protested in kyiv, got brutally beaten. as ukrainians said, "we are not used to citizens being beaten up" - so next day kyiv was full of protesters, this time majority of them brought out by the oppression from the special forces. more brutality, murders, kidnappings, torture... further events are more popularised - and eventually it was the rada that voted to remove yanukovich, even members of his own party ("party of regions") were leaving the party - there were dozens of deputies who left it...

i apologise for my spelling, here in eastern europe we learned english as our third language. and we know this neighbouring country too well to see who's the aggressor.

you are either quite delusional or financially motivated to whitewash the actions of russia - which, despite there being many really great people in there, is a monster that endangers all of it's neighbours and whole world.

if you refuse to respond, that's good, because such propaganda, based on lies, can lead tu huge suffering.

it (kde) could have a bit less bugs, though ;)

that was not a vote. please, stop spreading that lie. invade a country by army, then hold a "vote" without any international observers (the scum that was dragged there to pretend to be observers, that should only work for internal target groups in russia, i hope).

such "votes" happened in austria and other countries, invaded by some crazy superpower. just looking at what happened in crimea should leave any honest human sad and probably disgusted.

the similarities are huge and terrifying

Sudeten never voted to become part of Germany as Crimea did Russia.

that was not a vote in crimea. invaded by a foreign army, which operates without insignia and is denied by russia itself. active terror against tatars. it has been a terrible, terrible lie that seems to be promoted by rt, mostly (well, and the mass media in russia, of course).

it was not a coup. the current rada is the same one for the most part. claiming anything else is a lie from the cremlin media.

and again, something like that can not be called a vote, and yes, russia absolutely invaded a territory of another country. one that gave up nuclear arms in a promise to protect it's teritorial integrity... by russia in part.

compared to ukraine ? haha

don't change the topic.

russia is the aggressor here. they occupied their neighbour - actually, they have been doing this continuously for quite some time, georgia being the previous victim. russia spends a lot of money on propaganda, though - i don't know whether you are paid or just mislead by rt and similar media, but there oh-more-than-enough paid people, spewing bullshit about "vote" in crimea.
look at all the neighbouring countries of russia. they know what they are dealing with. they are very, very concerned.

popularising such lies is very evil. please try not to be evil.