What you are missing is that a warrant for something un-Constitutional is invalid even if issued in accordance with unanimous decisions from the SCOTUS., therefor actions taken to execute said warrant are illegal and are criminal acts carried out under color of law. Dred Scott comes to mind, though hardly the only example of the SCOTUS ruling contrary to letter and/or intent of the Constitution.

Courts are not the final arbiters. People are. What can the government do if most of the population (including a large percentage of workers within said government and members of the military) refuses to comply?

There are already laws on the books regarding citizen rights & responsibilities pertaining to dealing with agents of the government committing criminal acts under color of law. I would refer you there.

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So you would accept it as Constitutional if the courts rule that police randomly entering & searching your home without a warrant or probable cause to believe a crime is or is about to be committed is not a violation of the 4th Amendment?

No US court has the power to overrule the US Constitution, secret or otherwise. Any such rulings are by definition unlawful and un-Constitutional. An un-Constitutional law is no law at all, and it is the duty of every US citizen to ignore and/or disobey/violate it if/when it conflicts with the rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution.

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Government bureaucrats & officials, and the innumerable laws, rules, and regulations at local, State and Federal levels at their disposal to interpret however they wish unless/until there's enough public attention and outrage to force the issue.

The same government that prevents Tesla Motors from selling cars directly and also in many areas limits the choices available for domestic home high speed internet services. The same government that completely ignores the US Constitution and shits all over the 4th Amendment with NSA bulk surveillance.

You know, the guys you help elect and vehemently defend because "he's your guy" and you don't want those other guys to get in even though they agree on everything except carefully focus-group tested and selected wedge issues designed to keep the electorate divided.

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There's a huge difference between wartime-code breaking of enemy military communications, and the bulk collection/monitoring/analysis of all domestic civilian communications in peacetime in direct violation of the rights and protections guaranteed in the US Constitution. Especially when that collection is sold to the public as being created precisely to stop such terror attacks.

Sorry, that doesn't wash.

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Just more evidence the US Constitution was conceived by those religious-nutjob Colonial Right-wing radical extremists to prevent the government having all the powers it needs to fight for Equality, Order, and Social Justice on behalf of the People! /s

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Surprise: Freedom-hating authoritarian scumbags make the argument that safety is more important than freedom and privacy, all the while pretending that they value freedom and democratic values. I wish these people would move to North Korea.

Where they lose the argument is that these days privacy is safety; any hole, even a government-approved hole, provides an attack vector for threat actors. While it might be marginally helpful to the spooks to be able to track terrorists more easily, it would be immensely helpful to terrorists to have a generally more insecure infrastructure. Both weaknesses in communications relating to civil infrastructure and personal communications between could be used effectively for planning and targeting terrorist operations.

You assume that the spying by governments in the UK & US is actually about stopping Islamic terrorists or terrorist acts. That has not been born out by the facts surrounding many if not most of the terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists who arrived from nations/regions known for such activity and even when warned by the foreign intelligence service of the nation they left.

They can't catch a couple of not-genius terrorists even monitoring all communications and having been warned, yet they seem to be doing a brisk biz in 'parallel construction' to make drug and CP busts.

It's about protecting those in power and the status-quo that maintains the system that keeps them in power, and the biggest threat to any bloated, corrupt, increasingly-authoritarian and tyrannical government and it's power-and-control-seeking leaders are the citizens.

The US has steadily been sliding towards an ever-more authoritarian surveillance state for decades under both Democrats and Republicans.

If you want to solve the problems, the first thing you need are different people working on the problems. The problems will never be solved by the same people who have created & maintained them for decades.

Want to get both Party's attention? Stop giving money or volunteering time/work to either Party. No more checks. No more handing out flyers or putting up yard signs. No manning call centers, campaign offices, etc. When they call tell them you're done with their lies. When/if they knock on your door, slam the door in their faces. Tell your friends, neighbors, coworkers. Use social media.

#DefundEmAll

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From my OP:

You'll notice that the two things aren't even in the same paragraph!

Methinks you simply wish to detract and criticize because you disagree politically/ideologically, but are struggling to find a valid reason to do so based on what I posted without appearing politically/ideologically biased and/or closed-minded.

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I never said George Soros was a Socialist.

George Soros funds things that push socialist-style agendas. He does this as one of many things done by him and others (not necessarily in a coordinated manner, but as fellow-travelers whose causes all would benefit from social/economic chaos) with the overall goal of weakening the social stability and unity in the US, and contribute to the ultimate collapse of the US Dollar and the US national economy. This would make it something like the 5th currency he has intentionally and heavily contributed to the collapse of, and profited nicely from as well at the same time.

George Soros believes in George Soros. What he does is for his benefit. The people and causes he funds are useful idiots and ideologues blinded by their narrow views and hatred. They are tools to him, nothing more.

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They've probably also got a secret lair on the moon where they plan to use a [finger-quotes] "LASER" to blackmail the worlds' governments for one BILLION dollars! [pinky to corner of mouth]

Holy crap, dude! Do you actually believe all that, and that the other faction of the One Party is blameless for anything bad that's happened!? Talk bout some truly epic partisan blinders! Please alert people if you ever take those massive things off, moving those things will shift the Earths' center of gravity!

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From TFS:

Why is it that the uber-rich on the Left are never mentioned? Most of the richest people in the US Congress are Democrats. Why don't we hear more about George Soros, who collapses national currencies for fun & profit, and the leftist/progressive institutions he funds like Tides Foundation and others who then in turn fund numerous other PACs and other groups? How about Bloomberg? Or if you want to get to the real money in political contributions, look at public & private sector unions.

What is it with rich socialists that they hate the rich so much? Or do they just hate the idea of anyone *else* becoming rich? They seem to view other people increasing their wealth as decreasing how much richer they are, and consider the resulting decrease in wealth disparity the same as having been robbed.

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Let me take the last first.

From http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...

The problem with claiming that zero mass shootings have been stopped by armed civilians is just that: they were stopped. Thereâ(TM)s no weeks-long media feeding frenzy when a mass shooting doesnâ(TM)t happen. But I can definitely present some examples in just the past couple of years where a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

Clackamas Town Center: An armed individual, obviously attempting to commit a mass shooting, was confronted by a person with a concealed carry license. After seeing a gun being drawn on him, the shooter immediately deviated from his course and killed himself in an adjacent hallway.

Arapahoe High School: A student armed with a shotgun and multiple incendiary devices, shot one person in the face and was attempting to kill more people when an armed school resource officer confronted him. The attacker then killed himself.

Those are just the two most high profile cases in recent history â" a news story that doesnâ(TM)t happen is hard to find, so we never seem to hear about those. Even when they happen, the actual chain of events are still often hard to prove.

It boils down to this: the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Police officer, concealed carry holder, school resource officerâ¦it doesnâ(TM)t matter. Any armed opposition is effective.

Read the news out of France lately? The attackers had fully automatic weapons and a rocket launcher. Personal firearm selling, buying, ownership, and possession are all extremely heavily restricted and regulated in France. Have you seen the Colt Model 1911 semiautomatic pistols that are being produced by 3D printing these days? Heck, I can fabricate a STEN submachine gun with the common metal shop tools I have access to in a day or two. I have the complete plans and templates. As far as that goes, it's probably easier to just steal a shotgun and/or pistol from a parked police cruiser (might even get an AR or M4 from the trunk).

Heck, gangs in Brazil make their own guns, and so did Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and elsewhere in WW2.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Other nations don't count & categorize data points the same way the US does. Violent crime in the US is at an all time low and has been trending steadily downward for 40 years.

So basically, your entire post is factually wrong and smells like emotionally/ideologically-driven propaganda.

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I recommend the 1960s TV comedy series by that name ("It's About Time").

Oooo! Oooo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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