This is a transcript of the interview mentioned in my previous journal entry.
They really do put those handcuffs on tight. My wrists were red and sore for
the next few days. I had them photographed for the report to internal
investigations ("B11"), but that's another story.
Before the interview there was a conversation like this:
HARRIS: You were there to steal weren't you?
FOOLE: No.
HARRIS: Well that's what you're going to say on the tape.
Taped interview:
HARRIS: This is a tape-recorded interview between Senior Detective Harris
and [Foole] of [Foole's Address] conducted at Box Hill CID Offices on the 21st
day of September 1990. Also present during this interview is Detective Fogarty
and Senior Detective Vanderbilt. [Foole] do you agree that the time is now 1:20
PM?
FOOLE: Yes.
HARRIS: For the purposes of this interview can you state your full name
and address?
FOOLE: [Foole] [Foole's Address]
HARRIS: State your age and date of birth.
FOOLE: I'm 17, born on 7 August 1973.
HARRIS: State your current occupation
FOOLE: I'm unemployed.
HARRIS: I am going to ask you some questions in relation to a burglary
that occurred in the Doncaster area earlier today but before I do I must inform
you that you are not obliged to say anything but anything you do say may be used
as evidence. Do you understand that?
FOOLE: Yes I do.
HARRIS: I must also inform you of the following rights. You may
communicate with or attempt to communicate with a friend or relative to inform
that person of your whereabouts and you may communicate with or attempt to
communicate with a legal practitioner. Do you understand that?
FOOLE: Yes I do.
HARRIS: Is it true that you have attempted to make a phone call to speak
to your sister a short time ago?
FOOLE: Yes it is.
HARRIS: And was the circumstances of that phone call?
FOOLE: There was no answer.
HARRIS: At about ten minutes past 12 this afternoon you were seen by
myself and Detective Senior Constable Marvin at a construction site in Doncaster
Road Doncaster. Is that correct?
FOOLE: Yes that is correct.
HARRIS: Can you tell me who you were there with?
FOOLE: [Dodgy mate]
HARRIS: Who's [Dodgy mate]?
FOOLE: A friend of mine.
HARRIS: How old is [Dodgy mate]
FOOLE: I think he's 16.
HARRIS: How long have you known [Dodgy mate] for?
FOOLE: I first met him about 10 years ago.
HARRIS: And who is [Dodgy mate] to you?
FOOLE: Just someone who lives near me.
HARRIS: Is he a relative or...
FOOLE: No
HARRIS: A friend?
FOOLE: He's a friend.
HARRIS: Did you go to school with him or ...
FOOLE: No
HARRIS: How often do you associate with him?
FOOLE: I have been about every second day recently by before then, not a
lot.
HARRIS: Whereabouts does he live?
FOOLE: In [Dodgy mate's address]
HARRIS: Can you explain to me the events or the circumstances that lead
to you being at this construction site?
FOOLE: [Dodgy mate] came over to my place this morning about 9:30 or 10
o'clock and told me that we were going up to Doncaster to see a movie. I said I
didn't have any money and he said he'd pay for me. So we went up. We went to the
cinema and it was closed and he said "I want to check out a building site
near here".
HARRIS: Whereabouts are these cinemas located?
FOOLE: Doncaster Shoppingtown.
HARRIS: And about what time would this be that you went up to the cinema?
FOOLE: 11:30
HARRIS: Keep going
FOOLE: We went to the building site and walked around a bit and he found
a hole under a fence so he climbed in through there and he told me to wait
around the other side where there was a door.
HARRIS: Can you just explain to me this building site. What does it look
like?
FOOLE: About 3 stories high, cement.
HARRIS: Was there any glass or windows in there?
FOOLE: Yes there were windows in some points.
HARRIS: Would it be correct to say that the building site in question
looks very very familiar to that of a large block of offices?
FOOLE: Yes it does.
HARRIS: And would it also be correct to say that this particular block of
offices would be roughly three-quarters completed?
FOOLE: Yes it would
HARRIS: And would it be also fair to say that the outer perimeter of the
buildings are fenced with up to 8 foot fences, some covered in barbed wire, and
that the place is basically very secure?
FOOLE: Yes
HARRIS: And would it also be correct to say that you can't walk into the
place without having to climb or bend or move something out of the road by
force? Would that be correct?
FOOLE: Yes it would
HARRIS: All right, continue
FOOLE: I went around to the other side and he had opened a door from
there and I walked in through the door and...
HARRIS: How did he open a door?
FOOLE: From the inside it just opened. It was only locked from the
outside. He walked around a bit and looked around and he found lock on a door
that went to a staircase and he proceeded to attack the lock with a screwdriver.
HARRIS: How did he attack it?
FOOLE: He removed - he jammed the screwdriver through the top of the
plate over the lock and ripped that off then chipped away at the wood around the
lock to remove it and then he opened the door.
HARRIS: Where were you while this occurred?
FOOLE: I was about 2 feet away just watching.
HARRIS: What was the purpose of this?
FOOLE: I was just following him. He looked like he knew what he was
doing.
HARRIS: You didn't ask any questions?
FOOLE: No I didn't.
HARRIS: You just went along with this person who was destroying things
and damaging things and didn't ask any questions?
FOOLE: That's right.
HARRIS: What about in relation to going to this building site initially?
FOOLE: I didn't ask any questions.
HARRIS: What about when he went through the hole and opened up the door?
FOOLE: I didn't ask any questions.
HARRIS: You just stood there and absolutely did nothing or said nothing?
FOOLE: I probably would have said I didn't want to be there because there
was too much risk of getting caught because it was right next to a main road but
he said that wouldn't bother me.
HARRIS: What do you think was the reason of going there?
FOOLE: I don't know. He just does that sort of thing. He enjoys the risk.
HARRIS: The risk of doing what?
FOOLE: The risk of getting caught.
HARRIS: Getting caught doing what?
FOOLE: Vandalising?
HARRIS: What happened after this door had been forced?
FOOLE: We walked through the door and walked up a flight of stairs to the
second floor. He looked out the window and saw a car parked there so we ran out ... outside of the building and I said I don't want to go back in. He kind of
just stopped. We went back in anyway.
HARRIS: Why did you go back in if you state you never wanted to?
FOOLE: Because... I don't know, I don't know.
HARRIS: Were you forced in any way to go back in?
FOOLE: No
HARRIS: Were you offered anything for going back in?
FOOLE: No
HARRIS: Were you threatened for going back in?
FOOLE: Sort of ... humiliation .. threats.
HARRIS: What does that mean?
FOOLE: He'd tell everyone that I whimped out.
HARRIS: What happened after that?
FOOLE: We went back inside and went down stairs and I just walked around
and looked around the place and didn't touch anything and he started to rip a
sheet of masonite off the wall in a small room.
HARRIS: That would be a storage room.
FOOLE: Yes
HARRIS: And how did he, as you say, rip this masonite off?
FOOLE: I wasn't watching so ...
HARRIS: Whereabouts were you when this was happening?
FOOLE: I was in another room just looking around.
HARRIS: So at some stage you did go off and just start looking of your
own accord as well?
FOOLE: Yes
HARRIS: You didn't just follow behind [Dodgy mate]?
FOOLE: Yes
HARRIS: So you have gone off and looked around?
FOOLE: Yes, because I don't like to be near him when he's doing this
business. I usually walk off.
HARRIS: And what were you looking for?
FOOLE: Nothing
HARRIS: What was the purposes of looking if you were looking for nothing?
FOOLE: I was just seeing what was there
HARRIS: Why?
FOOLE: I wasn't looking for anything in particular
HARRIS: Why were you looking for things?
FOOLE: I was just seeing what kind of things were there... nothing...
HARRIS: What if there had have been something there that you liked?
FOOLE: I wouldn't have touched it.
HARRIS: I put it to you that would have. I put it to you that you went to
the premises for the purpose of seeing what was available to steal.
FOOLE: I deny that.
HARRIS: I also put it to you that whilst in the car coming over here that
you stated that was the reason why you went over there to steal.
FOOLE: I don't remember saying that
HARRIS: I also put it to you that you stated that [Dodgy mate] had told
you that you two were going over there to see what you could steal.
FOOLE: I did not state that.
HARRIS: What happened after he started removing the masonite?
FOOLE: He entered a small room and looked around and said "This is
just rubbish in here" and came back out and then the police officers came.
HARRIS: Did you go in that compartment at all?
FOOLE: Yes I did.
HARRIS: Why did you go in there?
FOOLE: I was just following him.
HARRIS: What did you expect to see in there?
FOOLE: Nothing. I didn't expect to see anything. I was seeing what was
there - curiosity.
HARRIS: Can you explain what you were carrying with you at the time?
FOOLE: Some of the time I was carrying a bag with sort of tolls in it...
screwdrivers, pliers.
HARRIS: Can you explain the tools exactly?
FOOLE: There was a large flat head screwdriver, a pair of pliers. I don't
know what other tools there were. Probably a Phillip's head.
HARRIS: Who owns the bag?
FOOLE: The bag is mine.
HARRIS: Who owns the tools?
FOOLE: The tools are [Dodgy mate]'s
HARRIS: Why did you have the bag?
FOOLE: He carried - he took it from my place.
HARRIS: Why did you have the bag?
FOOLE: Why was I carrying it? Because I think he put it down so I picked
it up.
HARRIS: Why was the bag taken with the two of you?
FOOLE: I don't know. I didn't ask that.
HARRIS: Someone's just taken your bag, picked it up and taken it and you
haven't asked anything.
FOOLE: That's right.
HARRIS: Did you talk with [Dodgy mate] at all?
FOOLE: Not about what he was doing, no.
HARRIS: Did you talk to him about anything?
FOOLE: At anytime or while we were in there?
HARRIS: While you were doing what you have been doing.
FOOLE: I probably said something but I can't recall.
HARRIS: So you could have talked about what you were doing.
FOOLE: I could have, but I didn't.
HARRIS: Well how can you say you didn't. You've just said you could have.
FOOLE: No I ...
HARRIS: You've stated that you can't recall much about the conversation
you had with [Dodgy mate] but you're saying that you definitely didn't talk
about what you were doing.
FOOLE: That's right.
HARRIS: Well, if you can't recall the conversation you had with him, how
can you state that you definitely didn't talk about what you were doing?
FOOLE: I remember that I asked him what he was doing when he was opening
the lock.
HARRIS: I'll put it you that you're just saying that you didn't talk
about this just to try and get yourself out of trouble.
FOOLE: That's not true.
HARRIS: How did the tools come to be in the bag?
FOOLE: He put them in.
HARRIS: And whereabouts did this happen?
FOOLE: At my house.
HARRIS: And you didn't ask what he was doing then?
FOOLE: Not really. I trust him.
HARRIS: Trust him for what?
FOOLE: For what he was doing.
HARRIS: Well, what did you think he was doing?
HARRIS: You trusted somebody but you didn't ask?
FOOLE: That's right
HARRIS: You trusted him with what?
FOOLE: I trusted him with my bag.
HARRIS: Trusted him to do what?
FOOLE: I knew I'd get it back, so I didn't ask why he'd taken it.
To be continued.
The part about "whilst in the car" pisses me off. Of course I
didn't say anything like that. I wonder how many people they scare into lying
like this to cover their mistakes.
During some of the pauses, I was reading pieces of paper being held up by one
of the other officers in the room (Fogarty I think). They had insults written on
them.
I'm surprised I held up so well. I would say one of my greatest weaknesses is
conversation/arguing, but it was like here they were asking me about things
where I was the expert.
Immediately after the interview he said something like "good job"
and punched me twice in the forehead. It swelled up into a nasty lump.
Hopefully I can motivate myself to type up more of this. Unfortunately it is
bringing back a lot of memories.