interesting

right

not "terrorism in the sense we have become accustomed to"

but still terrorism

what tim mcveigh did was terrorism, for example

maybe unfortunately terrorism has come to mean "done by muslims"

although, maybe we should remove attacks on military installations as terrorism

surprise coordinated violent attacks on civilians for ideological reasons is about as good a definition of terrorism as we can get i think

we call too many things terrorism that are not, and too many things not terrorism that are

I have many more than just one quote. Hitler refers to the Christian God and Jesus many times in his various speeches; at one point the Nazis even tried to setup their own church. There were attempts to evict those Christian sects that were felt to be insufficiently Germanic, but the Nazis in general were a Christian group.

A more telling quote from historian Richard Steigmann-Gall is more telling:

The Nazis used the writings of Martin Luther in particular to support their beliefs; the party even held mass celebrations in support of his 450th birthday.

Also inarguable is the fact that 95+% of Nazis were brought up in Christian households with Christian values. None of which apparently did anything to stop them from perpetrating the worst injustices of the modern age.

I'd be careful using Wikipedia as a reference here. There are unfortunately many writings both for and against Hitler's belief or disbelief in 'God'; however the Nazi regime was much bigger than just Hitler. And as Mr. Steigmann-Gall alludes to in the above quote, many historians and writers since the end of WWII have tried to paint Hitler as being non-Christian, as they are unable to conceive how a Christian person could commit such atrocities, in "No True Scotsman" fashion. Regardless, Hitler wasn't brought up as an Atheist with modern Humanist values, and he certainly wasn't opposed to religion -- at the very least, everyone can pretty much agree that he was more than happy to use it as a useful tool in advancing his agenda.

Yaz

exactly

they oppose government when they should be opposing corruption

the idiots are actually helping the corruptors. the corruptors would rather not have anyone to corrupt as an extra expense, and the idiots oblige by insisting on the same: remove the corrupted position, rather than fix it. because they apparently like shoddy, expensive, manipulated, inefficient markets

it's like someone robs the bank because they paid off the bank guard

the intelligent response is to fire, prosecute, and replace the guard, and go after the criminals who paid him off

the idiots want to fire the guard and leave the bank unguarded, and leave it at that: not pursue the criminals who paid off the guard and robbed their bank, their money

it's stunning how stupid and propagandized people can be

no that's hay-zeus

jee-zuz is the proper pronunciation of the anglosaxon founder of christianity

us civilized folk need to teach his compassion to dirty brown people like mexicans and middle easterners

(facepalm)

you're trolling right?

Nazi Germany was not opposed to religion -- they were very specifically Christian. Hitler himself said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian.". 94% of the German population at the time of the war were Christians, as was the bulk of the Nazi party members.

Indeed, the SS specifically did not permit atheists in their ranks; the SS Oath went like so:

Hitler wasn't opposed to religion -- like many despots, he was opposed to potential political threats against his interests. There is a significant difference between the two.

Yaz

well yeah. in which case a "free" market is simply anarchy, in which a monopoly and oligarchy comes to dominate and "govern" in a sense: decide how much consumers pay and that no one competes. truly "free" in the sense there is no government, but a much worse place in actuality

so company {X} dominates a market for widgets. any smaller companies try to compete, they undercut the competitors prices to starve them out, then jack prices way high when the smaller companies fold, consumers having no real choice

tell me how this problem is "self-regulated" by the market to correct for the abuse

the problem is that we do not have strong laws against corruption

1. corporations and the rich buying congrescritters with election funds (supported in 2010 citizens united)

2. revolving door employment between regulator and the corporations they are supposed to regulate

other countries have clear laws against this type of thing. we can have that too (not easily, but we should, and we should try)

it's kind of like the concept of the free market

without rules, enforced, all markets quickly devolve into oligarchies and monopolies: customers and smaller players squashed and abused

so a free market requires government regulation

likewise, without rules enforcing net neutrality, large market players start fucking with the status quo to siphon off more cash. simply because they can

but there exists certain idiots in the world, a lot in the usa, who only see the government as a threat. the government IS a threat, in many avenues of life

but in the market place, the government is usually your only friend when it comes to real abuse from large market players

there does exist regulatory capture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

but again, this is an argument against corruption, not against government. again, the problem with regulatory capture is large market players corrupting the rules. so you want to heal your sick government, not weaken it further, thereby giving large market players yet even more ways to abuse you. and they will

but certain people, they just utterly lack the awareness that the government is not the only evil bogeyman in the world. many times in fact, like regulatory capture, the government isn't really the ultimate bogeyman, but just the front for the real villains: plutocracy

we need strong anticorruption rules in the usa. badly. the people are losing to big money. this will be our downfall

"statist" is an insult used by the kind of people who who call obama a muslim socialist

it's an inaccurate, hysterical, and unintelligent smear

ah yes, when dealing with an intellectually dishonest individual, one encounters upset resistance rather than the simple ability to concede a point

you're welcome for the education on sovereignty

and where the fuck did i ever say that you dumb shit? are you talking to me or some made up boogeyman in your head?

delusional AND stupid

it seems the german education system is failing its children as much as german mental health facilities are failing its pilots

zero respect to you. you are not an equal. you are a child

The soviet union collapsed and now russia is run by a thug dictator for life as his personal toy with immature cult of personality on the same level as north korea

they invaded and vivisected georgia, and now invade ukraine because their feelings were hurt when slavic brothers ukraine announced it preferred to go with europe. its economy is tanking because its economy is just digging up oil

it is 140 million people. china is 1.3 billion. eu is 500 million. both diversified and growing economies with stable governments, not politically immature kgb goon worship

canada is small and weak over a large land area too. difference being, canada is at peace and with good relations with its neighbors. russia looks for every opportunity to piss everyone off. ultranationalism and 1950s imperialism is a fantasy of hurt egos and faded glory. it's a colossal weakness, not a strength. it only announces more aggression to come exactly as gets weaker

russia is a dying country. the 1950s and sputnik and yuri gagarin was its highest point. everything from then on was/ is downhill

in a hundred years, the trajectory that started with the collapse of the soviet union will continue. sibera will pass to china (outer manchuria, which russia won from china only in 1850, is going majority chinese population soon). and everything west of moscow will pass to europe by choice or by fire, as ukraine shows

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

they are too few people over too large an area. their economy is too weak. and their politics is mafia level intimidation amateur hour, easy to topple and push around, if not outright inviting revolution when rabid ultranationalism loses its power

their much vaunted military will not keep up technologically and with a collapsing economy, and that's the only chip they have left that is weakening over time

the history of central asia is replete with giant empires that rise and fall. russia is but another to come to pass, and soon. i think this century, at least the next

no more deals with russia, especially on the space station. they are aggressive losers, any deals we make with them will not last and will be subject to further decay over time

to russian space scientists:

i suggest defecting to the west and private space companies. be the next sergey brin of space. he didn't make google in russia, and he never could have. the russian von brauns need to do the same

if you are willing to disregard sovereignty, the foundational basis for all the other concepts you cite disappear

without respecting sovereignty, there is no respecting anything else. didn't the last few centuries of european history teach you anything moron? would you rather the french march across the rhine again? or the germans across the alps? or the austrians across the danube? why don't they do that anymore? you're the one telling me sovereignty doesn't matter you dumb fuck

your german grandparents learned this lesson the hard way. it is a shame some loser germans like yourself still don't understand the simple fucking lesson, despite all your ancestors who have suffered for it, and all the nations around you your ancestors put through such suffering. what a pathetic historically ignorant loser

but it is your ignorant shame alone, not that of your countrymen, those germans with responsibility and intelligence understand, they know very well what kind of fire russia is playing with here. you are not like them

you're just a low iq outlier, you should stop talking about this subject. if you can't understand the importance of sovereignty, you are a moron on a topic you have no right to inject your stupidity into

i am not insulting you i am objectively describing your lack of awareness of basic concepts of a subject matter you've stumbled into without any understanding of it

and so i do not respect you. you are not my equal on this topic. you are not a grown up

because you do not understand, nor respect sovereignty. therefore you have marked yourself an ignorant child on the topic of geopolitics

do you wander into chemistry class and mumble about phlogiston? do you wander into biology class and prattle about lamarckism?

then why the fuck do you bloviate about geopolitics and disregard sovereignty thereby effectively announcing yourself as a fucking idiot?

ask yourself what is lost if sovereignty is not respected. the answer is: everything

i fear if moscow does not learn, it will soon be divided between the chinese and europe, just in time for the hundred year humbling of berlin in the same fashion

ukraine and georgia are but czechoslovakia and austria. abkhazia is sudetenland and novorussiya is the anschluss. same bullshit: the germans in sudetenland were "suffering" so nazis had to annex it. fucking arrogant imperial bullshit! same with what russia did to georgia! you really believe russian lies? there is zero justification to subjugate another country on nothing but arrogance and hurt ego. none

you disrespect another country's sovereignty, you are only inviting for your own to be torn to pieces too

if the russians are drunk on past glory and ultranationalism and feeling insulted at a recent loss (wwi -> collapse of the soviet union/ loss of influence in ukraine) like germany a hundred years ago, then russia under mafia goon putin will suffer the same fate as nazi germany

imperial machines all need to feed on the weak around them. we will see where the russians strike next. and thereby strengthen the resolve of all the world watching to deliver a death blow. as they must. as unanswered aggression merely creates more

siberia goes to china. all west of moscow goes to europe

russia is a dying thug. no one does what russia does to its neighbors except to announce its bankruptcy and weakness