Maybe the reason is that you had tasted the upper levels at one time, and therefore you could not completely go back to living only for the lower level functions. Though I have always had that "problem." I'm just not simple enough I suppose. And maybe he was talking about the development of a human being. But once one is developed (or born that way?) past a point, the upper levels become almost more important then the lower ones.

On the other hand, hold my head under water, and getting air will be the only thing I care about!

Well isn't that overwhelming proof... All we should need is your royal opinion, without checking the facts for ourselves, and listening to experts in the field disagree?

And you have some actual data on the number of vaccines per child, the preservative they used, and all the rest of the facts; as compared to the US? All reliable and checked?

The US did not have a big problem either, until the number of required vaccinations for small children rose from 10 in 1976 to the current 36 shots before they start school.

Make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Or at least not a whole bushel of apples to only 1/3 or a bushel.

If I shoot you once, you might be okay. But if I shoot you 3 times, the chance of you bleeding to death is much higher.

Sounds more like the urge to understand the true cause to me. There is a huge increase in a disease, and people start looking for possible causes based on commonalities between the cases. They find that the vaccines are using Thimerasol, which is 49% mercury, a known toxin with effects on the nervous system.

Coupled with an enormous increase in the number of vaccines given to children in recent years, that means a large increase on the amount of a known nervous system toxin injected into small children.

Possible cause. So more research is attempted... Sounds like science to me...

Except that in this society, the corporations which make billions from the vaccines have huge pull and block attempts at determining the truth. (remember the tobacco companies?)

A few facts:
Thimerosal Fact list

Wikipedia entry:
Thimerosal Toxicology

Is there a proven cause-effect relationship with autism? Not yet, but there is a smoking gun, and definitely reason to investigate more. Some doctors and scientific researchers believe there is no doubt at all. So it's not like people are just making it up themselves. There are doctors saying the same thing.

The truth does not always win out, any more than the superior technology becomes the marketplace standard. It becomes more a matter of politics and money and marketing. Sad thing is that many people who talk so loudly about science get fooled by the loudest yelling instead of researching the issue carefully themselves.

  Like many health issues, it's not black and white because different people react differently to different substances. It's much like the way one person can eat peanuts all day, and his brother would die if he ate just one and did not get to an emergency room shortly after. Depending on who is being tested, there will be different results. And that is still ignoring the very substantial effects from $$$$...

Exactly, those who don't know better and/or have less clout pay more.

Essentially covered already today:

Microsoft Invents Price-Gouging the Least Influential

You might read those studies with a more critical eye... For instance, from study #2: "That symptom severity did increase during exposure is interesting. These symptoms were not trivial. Indeed, for some they were so severe that exposures had to be stopped early or the participants withdrew from the study"

I've read a lot of medical studies for various things, and I find that the summary often causes my jaw to drop. But then we don't usually know who paid for the study. If you believe that career researchers are willing to bit the hand that feeds them, I have some ocean front properly in Kansas for you...

Sadly, the amount of government sponsored pure research is not what it once was, and corporations or at least their industry groups often pay for "research." The clues are usually there if the study is read carefully, but the summaries are often very misleading.

You're in the wrong place to be one of a small percentage of the population which happens to be sensitive to things other people are not... You'll just hear you're mistaken or you're a hypochondriac (notice that the latter is happening even though you are saying very clearly that you have nothing against the technology and you wish it didn't happen, and that only certain things cause the problem.)

I also am sensitive to cell phones and wi-fi routers and microwave ovens, though they have to be very close. A cell phone held a couple feet away has very little effect, though a wireless router two feet away does bother me and needs to be more like 6 feet away not to notice it.

I can't use a cell phone right next to my head for more than a couple of minutes or I will be naseous. If I talk for 15 minutes like that I'll feel sick for as long as a day or two. Feels very much like altitude sickness, or motion sickness. Maybe it is somehow affecting my inner ear. I don't know.

I don't claim to know exactly why it happens, but it does. I've tracked it carefully for many years, and like you I'm no Luddite. I write SW for a living, mostly for embedded systems, and am around all kinds of hardware. I do understand the square law very well, and it appears whatever is happening is related to the power, as the effect does fall off very quickly as I move the device away from my head. I have no problem with a Bluetooth headset, which has a fraction of the transit power. It doesn't seem to depend on the frequency, but on the transmit power (at least I experience the same effect with old 900 MHz phones and also 2.4 GHz WiFi and microwave ovens, so within the frequency range at least, I am sensitive)

Medical history is full of people being told they were imagining something. Until the particular ailment was identified, and the effect finally understood. Yes some people are just hypochondriacs, but that does not mean we all are, just because the cause is not well understood. To diagnose someone by a web-posting is not just bad science, it's just stupid.

Yeah, we could put all the humans in pods, tapping their power to create a huge virtual reality network. Knock knock, Neo...

So this is a world without politicians, multi-national corporate executives, or Wall Street firm executives, so that money was actually put into productive use for the good of society?

Nice idea...

What version are you using? I am using Outlook 2007 (on XP), with over 12,000 emails in my inbox (don't ask...) and it is using 40 MB of virtual memory. This is POP3 on two separate accounts. I also have Thunderbird for another email account, with 4,000 emails in the inbox, and it uses 24 MB of VM, though its working set is larger, at 34 MB (vs 25 MB for Outlook).

Overall, very comparable, though Outlook is vastly more pleasurable to use. I only have Thunderbird installed to keep my work email completely separate from my person email.

Yes you can. Right click on the space next to the ribbon bar tabs, or left click on the stupid looking down arrow thing on the title bar (just to the right of the strange little button bar thing with the save icon and forward/back icons).

Then click on "Minimize the Ribbon." Now it acts almost like a normal menu bar, except you get the full ribbon until you choose an action. Then it hides again.

The only annoying thing is that if you hover over the other tabs it won't switch to that tab like most menus will. You have to actually click on the tab to change to that tab's ribbon.

It's been done already. In one of the studies someone accurately did that 9 out of 9 times. Most others were not much more than chance (though there were other anomolies). The overall conclusion of the study was not affected by this person even though it was virtually impossible to be pure chance. And who actually reads TFA?

Did that cause the researcher to do more experiments? No. Research is seriously biased by corporate funding and politics driven by lobbyists.

Not a "conspiracy," just that money talks and always has. Most scientists are not willing to give up their career. They have families to feed and want to have some chance to continue to do what they enjoy, and maybe get a change to make a real difference someday. They have to pick their battles.

Look what happened to the doctor who insisted that doctors should wash their hands after handling cadavers, before delivering babies. He was attacked and ignored, and it was decades before the reality was accepted. Why?

From Wikepedia: "Specifically, Semmelweis' claims were thought to lack scientific basis, since he could offer no acceptable explanation for his findings. Such a scientific explanation was made possible only some decades later when the germ theory of disease was developed by Louis Pasteur, Joseph Lister, and others."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

The findings were ignored because it wasn't _already_ understood how it could happen.

How many times has THAT happened in the history of science? All pioneers get arrows in the back...

Again, the issue is not science per se. It's who is funding and controlling what gets released. This even fools those who understand science because they are fed flawed data, and twisted conclusions from research studies.

And many people here won't like that, because they cling to the belief that anything published as "Science" must be TRUTH. Not in our current society, where corporations overwhelmingly pay for the research. Politics reign in the upper levels of universities too.

Troll? For relating personal experiments and the experience of others here in another thread?

A lot TALK about science here, but often it's more like the OS and editor religious wars. People all over the world want to believe that their group has the corner on The Truth, and anything that threatens what they think they already know is automatically evil and must be silenced before any "dangerous ideas" infect the general population. Don't want anyone thinking for themselves...

I posted a link further down to a university researcher who was an expert in DNA and showed clear DNA damage. Motorola didn't like that... This story was published by a university alumni group.

No trolls here, move along...

As I mentioned in my other reply, there are large industry forces which need to be considered when evaluating these studies. You'll also often find that the U.S. studies are all favorable to an industry, and only foreign studies disagree.

For another view, which clearly shows what a researcher is up against whose research results threatens an existing large industry, see this:
http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march05/wakeupcall01.html

Note that he is an expert in DNA and DNA damage was clearly shown from exposure to an actual cell phone.

The aura of science is often used to make people believe exactly what the PTB want them to believe. Remember doctors on cigarette commercials, telling how great they were, while the tobacco companies were very well aware of the dangers? Careful who you believe, and check if they would lose their funding or even their career if they dared report anything which might cost a large corporation money (and or course some politician their campaign funding).

Real life is much messier than we want to believe...

How kindly patronizing of you...

My education is in electronics and I've deeply studied the human body for 30 years. I also understand scientific process quite well, thank you.

I've done many experiments to explore this over the last 10 years. Imagine an experiment where your head is within a foot of a device and you get nearly immediate pressure and nausea. Move the head away from the device and the effect lessens, and eventually disappears past a certain distance. Repeat variations of this experiment hundreds of times over ten years. Immediate effect from the stimulus. No stimulus, no effect. Stimulus is observed to lose effect with distance, quite quickly in fact.

That is precisely what I am talking about. My own direct experience, carefully investigated.

Many of the studies quoted in the link you supplied are difficult to get to actually read, so I can't comment on them. But I can comment on my direct experience over a very long period.

My electronics background certainly helped to understand the likely square-distance effect, and experimenting with headsets. True to theory, BlueTooth headsets are fine (though wired headsets were found to be nearly as bad as having the phone itself next to my head)

Also, I've noticed the same problem being very close to some operating microwave ovens and wireless routers. Both of those were surprises. I just noticed the same familiar feeling and started looking for a reason, and later made the connection.

Move a couple more feet away from the oven and or the router and problem solved. It is related to power, and it is not exactly the same level of sensitivity every day. (though it is always present; and varying sensitivity is to be expected)

I realize whatever it happening does not fit the current theories, but we can't just change the experimental data...

I couldn't help notice a reference in the link you supplied to a test for whether a cell phone was in a bag or not. Please...

There is a huge difference between an idle phone in a bag and talking on one with it sitting right next to your head. The power difference due to the continuous active transmission when speaking into the phone and the square-distance law is HUGE (orders of magnitude). That's just one example of a biased experiment.

I realize that the subjects might have made wild claims the experimenters were trying to verify, but I would not make those claims. The effect I notice is clearly related to transmission power, and below a certain threshold is not consciously noticeable.

I'm okay with a cell phone in my hand while I use a BlueTooth headset, or even with the phone a couple feet from my head. But not much closer. Same with some wireless routers.

Again, I'm talking about my particular experience, which I've carefully investigated over more than 10 years. I'm not making wild claims in general. Though given my experience, I do think there is something to be investigated more carefully. I feel like a canary in a coal mine...

I do also have similar symptoms on anything that spins, or at high altitude. The biological effect is quite similar, though I don't know exactly how or why it happens. I have of course separated these effects out and carefully observed them to all be independently able to cause this effect.

The history of science is littered with evidence being ignored, and the studies showing nothing more than the bias of the researchers. You don't have to try very hard to find examples.

The bias has little to do with real science and everything to do with human beings and their genetic bias toward getting approval from their own group. And being willing to attack those considered outside the group. For reference, see editor wars, OS wars, etc. here in Slashdot...

Again, I'm not making any wild claims of absolute truth, but I know my own body, I know electronics and EM fields, and that _something_ is happening.

What that should do is create curiosity about another subtle effect not yet well understood. But any time there is a huge industry built around something, I get very suspicious about bias. Not that industry lobbyists ever have any power in this country...