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Comment Re:Simple rule, actually (Score 2) 749

[citation needed]

I would start with the excellent site by Yves Smith, Naked Capitalism. The writers there are not wild-eyed ideologues, but people who have spent careers in the financial industry, working at pretty high levels. They've been all over this story since the Wikileaks documents broke. Remember, it was Wikileaks that published the secret TPP documents as well, which put the efforts to push that treaty through the tunnel on its heels, at least temporarily. Sunshine can be a great disinfectant.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com...

And in case you need a citation regarding sunlight being a disinfectant, I would give you none other than the great Louis Brandeis:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/...

Comment Re:Well. (Score 1) 749

I would say 30 years, but it is arguable. Though I would say the era from just before Theodore Roosevelt through JFK was a period of trustbusting and Glass-Steagall, which together led to a period of real prosperity and greater, more equal, freedom for working people and along with that, minorities and women.

But there's no question that starting in 1980 with the executive orders gutting financial regulation, the fascism has been in full bloom.

Comment Re:What? (Score 1) 753

Yes, we've been waiting for this fiat money crash, as we've been told the end is nigh, for decades now. Still waiting.

The gold standard discussions are always interesting because they all assume that gold has some sort of intrinsic, non-volatile value.

Let me tell you about a guy my wife used to work for. Back in the late 70's. The "failed" president Carter was in office, Civilization was going to collapse into a Mad Max world of shortages, and our money was goint to be worthless. The end was coming, and if you didn't prepare, you were toast.

Now I was happy to use his connections to buy silver bullion, (still have it) but the important part of my anecdote is one time we went ot his place for a party. His entire basement had been converted to a sort of prepper paradise. He had barells of wheat seed, and canned survival food. He had rifles and bullets - in several calibers.

His plan was that when the collapse of civilization happened imminently, he would trade people "Bullets for Bread", I told my wife that the flaw in his plan was that as na old dude, he was going ot be a prime target if his apocalypse happened. He'd be muhc better off to hope for the Rapture.

His wife used to hate it when they had their survival food weeks, whne they ate the food that was going out of date. Yummy - no MRE's at that time (which aren't half bad)

Since the paranoid are predicting the apocalypse all the time, eventually one of them will be right. Doesn't make for an excuse to act like that for the other millenia that we don't collapse.

It really doesn't help that much of the "you should buy gold!" press in the last five years has come from people who have a vested interest in the price of gold rising (like Glenn Beck) so they can sell it off at a profit and recent buyers will be hit with a loss. Pretty much the opposite situation from the one Beck et all describe would actually happen if we went back to the gold standard.

Yup, the paranoid being preyed upon by the grifters. Simply divide the world's GDP by the total amount of gold ever mined, and you'll see the futility of it all. Actually attempting to go to the gold standard now would achieve the massive collapse that these kooks all lust for, ironically.

Comment Re:What? (Score 1) 753

Fiat money is simply a numbers game.

All money, every single system is 100 percent a numbers game. Probably as close as we can get to a system of real worth would be wheat, but still way too volatile.

We were given a warning in 2008 that that numbers game will not continue but that's obviously fallen on deaf ears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

Explain how those were the result of fiat currency.

The irony is that the rich have got richer since then because they bought into hard assets - art, shares, property, land, gold, silver, rare artifacts (there's a reason they did that) - while those who had a regular salary and saved in dollars, euros or whatever have got continually squeezed and could afford less in real assets. It never ceases to amaze me how the ignorant get attached to their little fiat currency denominations.

Odd - I did well in both 2001 and 2008, and although I have hard investments, I simply didn't invest where the "smart" people said I should. I invested in what I knew would work. That's where most of my money went, and then returned with profit.

Even more odd is that you think that the fiscal insanity was caused by fiat currency, when in fact, most was caused by lack of regulation, mortgage originators who had no fiscal stake in the process, leading to mortgages to people who never should have them, and the insanity ne plus ultra - the 50 year morgage. a favorite of 80 year olds.

Just simple math that was bypassed, a crisis that would have been easily avoided, And not one thing to do with fiat currency, as if it did, people like myself who avoided the insanity would have suffered along with those who partook of it.

If you wish to argue, refer to the depressions noted. There were some, like the panic of 1837 where people lost trust in paper currency, interestingly enough not too long after th eUs tried to establish a mint ratio of gold to silver. Many other recessions were driven by speculation, or one of the biggies, post war days of reckoning, When we go to war, we often make emergency appropriations, which is kind of like war on the layaway plan. Eventually those have to be paid for, usually by inflation and or recession.

Good luck with that, because they are increasingly unlikely to want your useless electronic numbers that you place so much value on. The ECB is going to create a whole lot more of them.

So do you have your precious metals in a well armed fortress? Dude, any Government that can make everyone's electronic money worthless, can take your Gold, especially if you invest in it like most people....... electronically.

Because unless you can lay your actual hands on all your investment metal and have substantial means to defend it, you'll be in the same boat as the rest of us when your fiatpocalypse happens. Even people you think are idiots, like me.

Comment Re:Simple rule, actually (Score 4, Informative) 749

The TISA is classified so investment groups wouldn't take advantage of it before it went into effect, thus screwing you and I over.

For five years after it becomes law?

Also, it's been in negotiation for 2 fucking decade, so not really 'Obama'.

Exactly right. This treaty, which creates corporate sovereignty, is being negotiated in secret...from us. Do you really believe for a moment that it's also secret from the companies that will benefit, like Goldman Sachs?

Every president for the past 30 years has been playing for the same team. And the team does not include us.

Comment Re: 666 (Score 1) 753

This. Gold is exceptionally volatile, and basing an economy on it is not a wise move.

Ahhhh, yet another idiot who cannot separate gold from its meaningless fiat 'price'. If gold is money, how can it have a price?

Ahh, the name calling. So powerful such a way to automatically win an argument. Well played. You must have won every time in debate class.

Of course the gold has a fiat price - now. Specie, exchange, or bullion, of the Gold or bimatallic standards - there is simply not enough of it to sustain the world economy now.

Rather than call me names, perhaps you wish to discuss my premise, that you cannot base economies on it. Especially now.

Or is all ya got the playground 5th grader attack? Up to the Challenge?

Comment Re:666 (Score 1) 753

So what you are saying is we have to start up a complete alternative society with absolutely no banks allowed? And everyone has to sew thwir money up in their beds?

Seems like some bullies with luperas would be able to come up with cash very very quickly.

Comment Re:666 (Score 1) 753

Blind or intentionally obtuse? I'd guess both.

Here's your nightmare scenario:

Ermagherd!!

Of course, you'll probably accuse me of being overly paranoid, nevermind the fact that this sort of shit does happen, regularly. Because that's how sheeple think - anyone more paranoid than them is "too paranoid."

Holy crap, Guess anyone not as paranoid as you is a sheeple?

You are a prepper aren't you?

Comment Re:666 (Score 1) 753

That you've never had any problem paying using cashless in the past is not an indication that you will never in the future. If they decide to freeze your accounts for some reason with no cash in the system anymore, you can't even get a cab.

well of course not. But your scenarios means that your cash can and will be stopped right at your employers paycheck to you.

The system you fear has been in place for years, and unless you do everything through an alternative barter type economy, where your work is bartered, and all your expenses are too, you aren't going to get away from the intrusive hand of the guvmint.

Otherwise, you'll have just a little more cash than I do, to last maybe a week before you're as broke as the rest of us? I won't get a cab in week one, you won't get it in weeks two.

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