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Comment Re: Yawn (Score 2) 556

Actually I think scientists have an insight into theology that actual theologians lack. Religious and tribal instincts were shaped by evolution, since they conferred a selective advantage to early humans. Back in the Stone Age, if someone shared your religion, you'd probably have more genes in common with them than with people of other faiths, and you're more likely to befriend and ally with them. But, it's a one way street. Aside from being research subjects, theologians have nothing to offer in return except for denial.

I don't disagree with the first part of your statement, but I think that in the area of psychology, there could be quite a bit of overlap between theology. For instance, the catholics have something called an annulment that people must go through if they've been divorced and want to get married again. There is also statistical evidence to show that the divorce rate among catholics who went through it is statistically lower than those who didn't. Now, is it because some magical thing happened or is it because in the process they have to deal with all of the excess baggage they would carry into the next marriage? I'd opt for the second explanation, however, for the past 1000 years, they've figured out it was good.

Or take the ancient Jews. They believe that their God told them not to eat pork. What we know through science is that the primitive cooking styles back then would not adequately kill off the worms and if eaten people would become sick. Regardless of whether one uses ancient theology or modern science, we would come to the same conclusion.

My point being is that so much of theology and science is based on actual experience. Of course, the scientific method is more efficient, but enough people eating undercooked pork and getting sick gets you to the same point. Heck, when I was in college, there was this new fangled thing called Quantum Theory and it was widely disputed. Now, it is pretty much mainstream. Why? Because our experience, this time through repeated experimentation and observation kept showing the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am not equating science and theology. They are two distinct things in their own realms. However, both depend on repeated experiences to come to their propositions.

As for theologians having nothing to offer, I'd be careful with that. In many fields, their were Jesuit Priests that were instrumental in them. They were both theologians and scientists.

Comment Re: Yawn (Score 1) 556

I said no such thing. I said a scientists views on those claims are likely to be far more valid - as compared to the implied-by-context theologian or charlatan. If you find a scientist who is making such claims themselves, based on science within their realm of expertise, then that too would almost certainly be a more valid opinion. At the very least it would probably avoid most of the glaring disregard for logic, causality, and statistical significance that plague most such opinions.

It's still the same thing. Any scientist, who is intellectually honest will have to admit that the existence of a deity is outside the realm of what science could prove or disprove. Science can not and never will be able to show that a supernatural being exists or fails to exist. By definition, science can only deal with physical universe and by definition, a deity is outside that.

Again, I am not a theist, but I have no problem with people accepting a deity and find it no more difficult a concept to grasp than a cat being both dead and alive until you look.

Comment Re: Yawn (Score 1) 556

Religion really has no 'theoretical framework' worth speaking of. It's a bunch of old stories with a lot of bullshit in them, plus some mildly interesting and arcane cultural heritage and rites.

I think Thomas Aquinas would disagree with that. Ignoring the god aspect of religion and just treating it like another world view/philosophy, all such philosophies have a theoretical framework. Religion as a philosophy would be no different.Now, if you want to take the approach that all philosophy is worthless, that is your prerogative, but you probably will find that is not as popular a notion as religion being worthless.

Only in the mind of hypocrites, namely people who apply completely different standards of adequacy, consistency and correctness to religion and science without being able to explain why they would be justified to do so.

Different branches of science apply completely different standards of adequacy, consistency and correctness to each other, why should religion be any different? There is no such thing as "Science" that has a unified framework. Each branch has it's own framework. What works for a biologist probably would be pretty inadequate for a theoretical physicist. Likewise, what works for a theologian probably isn't going to work for a chemist and what a chemist uses won't work for a theologian. Then again, there could be some overlap in methodology between psychology, sociology and theology, but each still uses their own framework.

No there isn't. There is almost no knowledge in theology at all, except for knowledge of some arcane scriptures.

Judea-Christian seems to be your largest hangup, but it isn't the only religious avenue to explore. But even in Judea-Christian sects, the catholics, which are the largest group worldwide, are also the largest private funder of the sciences. Why would they do that?

Comment Re: Yawn (Score 1) 556

A scientist who claims that science proves religion if far more likely to be invalid! Why? Because religion involves that which is outside the natural world while science is about the natural world. Neither the supernatural or natural can be used to prove or disprove the other.

Hah! Tell that to this lady.

Well, Megan Fox is neither a scientist nor a theologian, so her claims are likely to be invalid on either topic!

Comment Re: Yawn (Score 1) 556

This is spouted off all the time in the hopes that "science" will just leave religion alone. It is a false equivalency. There are many different fields of science that require specialized knowledge where one scientist would have no common knowledge base with another scientist, except for the whole "being able to test and reproduce some idea". A theologian is just an important sounding word for a bullshitter, someone who lies to others and themselves. There is no practical knowledge in the entire "field" of theology, which makes the most far-reaching and outrageous claims such as "knowing the reason for existence" and housing "experts" whose "answers" are not only in direct contradiction to how the world seems to behave, but with other theologians as well.

I do not relish the idea of utter annihilation upon chemical dissolution, but I don't have to lie to myself to get through my day, either.

There is just as much practical knowledge in the field of theology as there is psychology, sociology and many of the other soft sciences. Both science and religion have their systematic, theoretical frameworks. As for theology being in direct contradiction to how the world seems to behave, while not a theist, I would argue just the opposite. theology only has the human experience to study and as such, is probably dead on with how the world behaves. As for disagreements between theologians, well that occurs even with scientists. For instance scientists agree that evolution occurs, but currently there are something like 36 competing theories as to exactly how. Theologians agree a deity exists, but vary on how it interacts.

Science and religion do not have to be opposed to each other. They can coexist quite happily. The only conflict comes is when either goes beyond it's theoretical framework and tries to apply it to the other.

Comment Re: Yawn (Score 2) 556

A scientists view of claims that "science proves religion" however, is likely to be *far* more valid. Especially in the typical case where the arguments are as blatantly misleading as "science says this is hard, so god must have done it" while ignoring that science also explains why we should expect it to happen anyway.

A scientist who claims that science proves religion if far more likely to be invalid! Why? Because religion involves that which is outside the natural world while science is about the natural world. Neither the supernatural or natural can be used to prove or disprove the other.

Comment Re: tfa says carry-on, one-way (Score 1) 349

So book 2 one ways: JFK-LAX-???, LAX-JFK-???.

You don't *have* to book that as a round trip, although if you book the return leg on the same airline you throw away ??? You might have your return leg cancelled.

Fwiw frequent fliers have known this for years. Search the forums at flyertalk.com

That still won't work if you got off at Phoenix, you would need to somehow get to LAX for your return to JFK. Going JFK-LAX with a layover in Phoenix (or where ever) probably won't save you any money if the return flight is from the layover site. I regulary fly through Atlanta to get to Houston and my ticket is much cheaper than somebody going just from Atlanta to Houston.

As for the law suit, I'm curious as to the grounds? After all, this was all pubicly available information he used.

Comment Re: Shut it down (Score 1) 219

Yeah, unlike the billions given to ILLEGAL aliens, wefare queens so they can continue to pop out more & more children. The "welfare" et al budget is many times that of Veterans, military, senior citizens payouts. Both parties in some part stopped long ago doing "the business of the country", and instead, concentrated on doing whatever keeps them in power.

The govt, state or federal doesn't give billions to illegal aliens. On the other hand, they pay sales taxes, income taxes and social security taxes like everybody else. Of course, if their employer pays them under the table or doesn't report and remit those taxes to the govt., well, the problem is with the employer, not the immigrant. As for "welfare," well let's be fare. If the so called job-creators actually created jobs with the record profits they are reporting, then maybe they wouldn't have to pay so much in taxes to support those on welfare. The so called welfare system is in place to allow employers to pay a sub-liveable wage. Put differently, if employers paid liveable wages, then there wouldn't be nearly as many people on the various assistance programs.

So, in summary - illegal aliens getting a free ride - that's because of employers breaking the law to increase profit; welfare and subsidy programs - if employers paid a liveable wage, they programs wouldn't be needed. You are correct, though, both parties stopped long ago dealing with the real cause of problems.

Comment It's funny... (Score 1) 293

It's funny. Many small hotel/motel chains offer free wifi and internet. But the big chains charge for it. Then if you set up a hotspot with your phone, they want to block that, forcing you to use their overpriced internet. They claim they have to cover their cost, but somehow the small chains cover their cost and don't even charge for it.

Comment Re:What does this mean...? (Score 1, Insightful) 56

No. The genes are already present. They only get activated when you exercise. Therefore, you should leave your basement and walk or run around your block for 45 minutes a day or alternatively walk or cycle to the pizza or Chinese place instead of delivery any you have the same improvement. However, if you do not desire a healthy and long life, and a more optimistic view on the world then please don't do it.

The study shows that the genes activate. It does not show that the activation results in a healthy and long life.

Comment What's good for the goose... (Score 1) 137

If the US can't enforce it's laws against content stored off shore, even if owned by an on-shore company, then what about the reverse? How can the DMCA be enforced against those in foreign countries? If Microsoft says that Irish law prevails because that is where the data is stored, then wouldn't the same be true for DMCA violations?

You can't have it both ways. Pirate Bay had it's data on foreign soil, but American companies had no problem with using American laws there. Of course, many countries have treatise with the US, but not all. If Microsoft wins this, do they create a big loophole?

Comment Re:Charter school for the unvaccinated (Score 1) 1051

the kid who can not take the vaccine would be protected by herd immunity. Those who voluntarily choose to not vaccinate then increase the risk of herd immunity being broken and then not protecting those that can not have it, or who do not have a response to the antigen.

Since it is a CHOICE to not vaccinate, there is nothing wrong ethically with requiring that they go to a different school. And with it being a charter school, they can then have their say on how it runs. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What IS wrong, is when another person forces their child to have the ability to harm others. Those who can not take it or who do not have a good response, are the ones that must be protected via the herd immunity.

The kid whose parents won't vaccinate them will also be protected by herd immunity. Herd immunity breaks done when there are a large number of unvaccinated individuals in close geographic proximity, in other words, exactly what you are proposing. It would seem a better solution would be to ensure these kids, who by the way are not refusing to be vaccinated (there parents are in control), to be spread throughout the school system instead of consolidated in one place. That is if the purpose is to protect everybody versus punish people.

Comment Re:Slippery sloap? (Score 1) 1051

"Should everybody with HIV or hepatitis or TB be rounded up and quarantined?"

HIV cannot be spread by coughing, kissing, or handshaking, so I am fine with HIV positive folks walking around freely.

Same with Hep C.

TB is a very communicable disease, and we do quarantine people with TB who can easily transmit the disease, along with some other dangerous communicable diseases. Heck, our recent experience with Ebola caused some whack job governors to try and quarantine folks who were not communicable.

Granted HIV and Hep C can't be spread by casual contact, but they can be spread by contact with bodily fluids. I shouldn't included TB, although it is interesting that there is a vaccine for it, but it is not required in the US for students. The over-reaction on Ebola is kind of what I am getting at. Yes, kids without vaccines are more likely to come down with measles, mumps, etc., but their ability to spread it is limited unless they are in contact with somebody with a compromised immune system such as the very young and very old or with somebody whose vaccine didn't take hold. For the former, it is unlikely that a school child would be in contact with such an individual at school. Their own family, yes, but that is the risk they take. For the latter, ineffective vaccine, they are at no greater risk than they are even if all of the people have had the shot.

Personally, I think the notion of these vaccines be dangerous is crazy. Is there some risk, yes, there is with everything. There's even risk that not having the vaccine and getting the disease will lead to complications. However, I don't think it is up to the government to quarantine people unless they are known to be infectious. People still have rights to seek medical treatment or not.

ps. thank you for not pointing out the misspelling of slope! I wish /. allowed edits.

Comment Re:Charter school for the unvaccinated (Score 1) 1051

You are still creating a "separate but equal" system, which the SCOTUS has said is a form of segregation. In this case, instead of segregating by color, it would be by religious belief, at least for those whose belief system didn't allow vaccinations. In addition, since the government would be doing this, you would still be putting the children without vaccinations at greater risk for contracting a disease, than if they were in a mixed class. The people at risk from the unvaccinated are the elderly and the very young. Neither of those two are likely to be in a school (k through 12).

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