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Comment Re:Sadly, Elon Musk is proof that (Score 1) 236

How is the availability of water on Mars therefore the handwavium? That's not what you meant when you wrote that and you know it.

I know what I meant. Apparently I didn't do as good a job of explaining it as I thought I did.

It appears that you think I know that I meant something like "chemistry will be different on Mars".

This is the crucial sentence: Handwavium to convert chemical transformation formulas into actual non-laboratory processes.

Electrolysis systems for 6 people on the ISS are going to be radically different in scale than those for a bunch of colonists.

That's the key word: scale.

The Handwavium comes in the paragraphs in and around this sentence:

The exact equipment and techniques you would use are still up for debate and experiment as well.

The equipment (and spare parts, and maintenance, and assembly and repair, etc) needed to do all that stuff will be much more complicated on Mars than you think.

On Earth, we can send out some geologists or a surveying crew, rent or buy heavy machinery, parts, drilling mud, explosives, etc of a variety of forms from a jillion different sources.

OTOH, every bit of every kind of stuff needed on Mars will have to be sent at the beginning (whether on one ship or multiple doesn't matter), and that will drive up the cost of the expedition to absurd heights.

Comment Re:Sadly, Elon Musk is proof that (Score 1) 236

Things that are impractical to the point of impossibility aren't kept in service that long.

National Pride and bureaucratic inertia are two factors which can keep some big project going well past it's Sell By date.

The history of the Concord seems to prove otherwise.

Why did Boeing cancel it's 2027 project? Why have there been no other SSTs (either European or American) since then?

Because they aren't economical.

So what part requires the handwavium?

This is the Handwavium:

you can just dig under the dirt a little and hit a layer of pure water ice

A few shovel digs and up comes potable water?

In reality, it'll be akin to strip mining.

Comment Re:Sadly, Elon Musk is proof that (Score 1) 236

Then your recollection is incorrect.

I'll disagree until you show me some evidence. Presumably you think the same way.

The Concorde was basically killed by beancounting and politics. It wasn't some impossible thing.

You agree with me, but seem to be fighting anyway.

Go back and read my original post on cost:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4874589&cid=46442899

some problems' only solutions are sooo expensive that the problem isn't worth solving.

See, we agree!!

OTOH, technology marches on.

Now that Pratt & Whitney has developed a supercruise engine for the F-22, if Boeing demonstrates that the 787's carbon fiber body is durable, then combining those technologies with NASA's boom reduction research the concept of supersonic passenger aircraft could be brought out of mothballs (especially for long Asian and Pacific routes).

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