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Comment Re:Similar effect on Slashdot (Score 1) 37

If you run out the time axis long enough, you'll see it more reflects a bathtub curve than 1/x. I.e., in a long enough relationship, there will inevitably be a dramatic rise in posting frequency. Usually this is an indicator of a pending failure. When you see the onset of this increase, it's best to implement some redundancy. It may accelerate the failure of the first component, but ensures no disruption in service.

Comment Re:How can the primary input not be relevant? (Score 1) 552

Most of the heavy-handedness has been on the part of the well-funded denial industry. Pretty much everything you said applies much more to the denier groups than to the pro-AGW groups.

The scientists do complain about the media, both with respect to AGW and other fields. Scientific journalism is notably awful.

Comment Re:data. (Score 1) 552

> No, it would not. The age of a 35 year old in minutes would be 18,408,600. 30 minutes would roughly 0.00163% of that. Terra is approximately 4 billion years old. Simple math yields 6,518 years, not one year. The time frame I provided was actually six times longer than the time frame looked at by the scientists. That also means that we should be looking at the last five minutes, not the last 30. In both cases, the time frame is too short

I don't think measuring by percentages really means anything. You can say it's really small, but you haven't said why that actually matters, especially given that the configuration of land and biosphere has been considerably different for most of Earth's history.

> Now, to your second point, seeing climate change and showing that it is caused by humans is different things. Most of what I see is people saying "the climate has changed in the last 200 years and the industrial revolution started 200 years ago so climate change must have been caused by humans", which is the questionable cause fallacy.

It's also a fallacy to argue at strawmen.

Comment Re:data. (Score 1) 552

The equivalent of 30 minutes would be looking at the climate from the past year and extrapolating from that. But we aren't doing that. However, I can tell you that what was normal for me as a kid, or what was normal for one of my ancestors from two hundred years ago, really isn't relevant to what's normal for me now. And more importantly, the question isn't to find normal (because there is no such thing), but to figure out whether human activity is a significant factor in the climate trends we've observed, significant enough to warrant action. We don't have to know everything about the entire history of the climate to answer this question.

Comment Re:data. (Score 2) 552

I don't know why the climate from 2 billion years ago is relevant to now. Do we need to measure the motion of every planet in the universe to decide that Kepler's Laws are correct? Do we need to have measured the amount of sunlight at night for the past 10,000 years to feel secure in predicting that it'll be dark tomorrow night? No, we don't. That's not science, that's the opposite of science. We understand the system based on laboratory experiments, math and models and then make predictions. The predictions are correct or not, and if they are, then we have more confidence in our theory. More importantly, we look at what's relevant to the theory. Whether people on Earth fart during its path around the sun is not something we need to measure when considering activities on the scale of planetary motion. Similarly, it's unnecessary to measure climate activity from time periods in Earth's history when the continents were laid out differently, when the sun produced different heat output, when the biosphere was composed differently, etc. It's certainly interesting, but not directly relevant, just like the weather on Mars isn't particularly relevant to the weather on Earth.

Comment Re:Out of scope (Score 1) 552

Some humans will adapt, as has always been the case. Those nations and groups of people that are proactive about their condition, be it environmental, economic or cultural, will, in the end, fare better than those that don't. Since the world we live in is fickle and complex, even great empires are not immune, though they may take longer to succumb.

Comment Re:In related news (Score 1) 552

No, it's really going to be extremes in certain directions. We wouldn't expect a lot of colder extremes, and indeed, we generally haven't seen as many in the past few decades. Of course, the day-to-day variability of the weather will result in some places getting particularly cold, and that'll always happen, AGW or not.

Comment Re:How can the primary input not be relevant? (Score 1) 552

Well, there has been an increase since the 90s, but there are two things: (1) the increase isn't as big as it was, but it's still happening and (2) 1998 was such an extreme year that if you use it as an beginning point, you will see a flatter trend. The actual temperature trend, and the proxies, such as sea ice, glaciers, etc. continue to show a steady warming trend. The fact that it snowed in DC is irrelevant, nor is the fact that there are shorter term (on the order of a decade or two) warming and cooling trends driven by regional oscillations that don't really make a big difference in the long-term climate trends.

Comment Re:If the sun ... (Score 1) 552

> If the sun isn't the major driver of temperature then why is it colder at night?

They said that solar variability is not a major driver of climate change trends in the past century. Nowhere are they denying the sun plays a role in temperatures and weather.

> Also why isn't the effect of carbon dioxide cumulative? How can we have colder years ... shouldn't every year have to be warmer than the past?

Why would you expect it to be such a simple trend? We're talking about a non-linear dynamic system, not heating up food in a microwave.

> Somewhere, there are people who took the science out of science --- maybe to argue with religious people or something --- but this social consensus crap isn't how real science is done.

Yes, it's your friends in the denial industry, not those doing the actual research.

Comment Re:Really had me laughing... (Score 2) 552

Variations in solar output are not a major driver for the last century. That's what the article's about. It's clear you can't be bothered to read it because you already know the answer, spoonfed to you, no doubt, by the well-funded (http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/billion-dollar-climate-denial-network-exposed/) denialist industry.

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