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Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 1) 132

Read the cockpit transcript. The stall warnings stopped whenever the crew member pulled the stick back and made the stall worse. (They stopped because the computer was programmed to treat the ridiculously low airspeed indications as instrument failures and disregard them).

I have. That's not what I read in the transcript. 2 h 10 min 03: Cavalry charge (autopilot disconnection warning)
2 h 10 min 10,4: SV: stall
. . .
2 h 10 min 13,0: SV stall
. . .
2 h 10 min 41,6: Weâ(TM)re in... yeah weâ(TM)re in climb
2 h 10 min 51,4: SV Stall
(for the next minute until 2 h 14 min 01,7 there are stall warnings)

It has 2 pitot tubes and 1 failed.

This is incorrect:

On 12 August 2009, Airbus issued three Mandatory Service Bulletins, requiring that all A330 and A340 aircraft be fitted with two Goodrich 0851HL pitot tubes and one Thales model C16195BA pitot (or alternatively three of the Goodrich pitots)

Apart from that the aircraft was in perfect condition. The failing pitot tube recovered during the fall, so all equipment worked correctly.

The pitot tubes failed because of icing. There would be no ice when they were recovered so "working correctly" isn't exactly true as the conditions of the accident were not in place when they were recovered.

The autopilot shut off and the computer put the plane into alternate law, where pilots are allowed to do stupid things like stall the plane. The computer had one perfectly working airspeed indicator to rely on, but instead it panicked.

Do you know what happens when one of the pitot tubes fails in these conditions? It give erratic readings. So the autopilot cannot determine which one of the 3 readings is correct. It's not "panicking" if it is meant to do that.

Comment Re:And who will watch it? (Score 1) 146

The North Korean people do have access to DVD players and computers. North Korea isn't in the stone ages when it comes to some technology as some people have access to cell phones. One of main problems has been a lack of enough food and totalitarian control of outside communication like the Internet . In this Frontline report, blackmarkets items include DVDs and thumb drives smuggled from China (24:20).

Comment Re:No group "owns" any day on the calendar. (Score 1) 681

Happy Holidays offends _me_ only because it is so damn generic and politically correct.

The point is to be generic. Personally I can't tell by looking at someone if they are Christian or Jewish or Hindu. Remember it is not "Happy Holiday" as Hannukah lasts 9 days, Pancha Ganapati lasts 5 days, and Kwanzaa lasts 7 days. It covers all bases.

So I think I will just go with "Have a merry Santa Claus Day and a happy new year" (Unless we don't want to offend people following other calender new years.)

Go right ahead. But the point is that someone deciding to say "Happy Holidays" instead is their choice.

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 1) 132

If that stall warning had kept working, AF447 would likely not have crashed.

Even towards the end, there were stall warnings. They were being ignored because the other failures kept the crew busy.

If the autopilot had not panicked and disabled the normal computer control because of a single faulty sensor, AF447 would likely not have crashed.

The autopilot did not panic. The Airbus had 3 pitot tubes and they all failed. Since the autopilot can no longer determine airspeed it cannot accurately compute throttle and altitude settings. So it shut off and alerted the pilots that it was shutting off; however, since the airspeed indicators failed this triggers other alarms.

If the plane had synchronized sticks, the other pilot would likely have taken control and AF447 would likely not have crashed.

My understanding is there is a procedure for emergencies. The Pilot Flying (PF) usually is the right-side pilot. The Pilot Not Flying (PNF) is the left-side and deals with the computer, instrumentation, etc while the PF flies. Now there are procedures for the PNF to take control by declaring like "Taking control" or "My aircraft". This alerts the PF to stop inputs and he acknowledges relinquishing control "You have control" or "your aircraft". That did not happen in this case. At best both pilots never communicated when the PNF should or would take over.

Synchronized sticks may have helped but the more distressing problem was a communications and training breakdown.

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 1) 132

From what remember a major breakdown in procedure was that the pilots didn't follow training to take control of the aircraft by setting at 85% thrust and 5 degrees first then trying other things if that didn't work.

NARRATOR: As they [simulator pilots] edge around the storm, Alder triggers the critical moment of Flight 447: he fails all three airspeed indicators.

SIMULATOR CO-PILOT: Okay, we have NAV ADR 1 fault. We have unreliable airspeed.

NARRATOR: The automatic flight control systems shut down.

SIMULATOR CO-PILOT: We're flying with no auto-pilot or auto-thrust.

SIMULATOR CAPTAIN: Okay. Autopilot's off. I have control.

SIMULATOR CO-PILOT: You have control.

NARRATOR: If their actual airspeed rises or falls by as little as 10 knots, they could suffer a catastrophic loss of control. But the pilot uses standard procedures, learned in training. He moves the throttle levers to set thrust at exactly 85 percent.

SIMULATOR CAPTAIN: And I'm selecting...I've got 85 percent set.

NARRATOR: Then, he raises the elevators to pitch the nose up at precisely five degrees. With engines at 85 percent power, and five degrees upward pitch, the aircraft should always settle at the same safe speed.

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 1) 132

With the pitot tubes covered in ice the airspeed would have been completely wrong. An issue was the throttle position is not true to the actual throttle amount. On the Airbus, it has autothrust so that the throttle itself doesn't move but the computer changes the speed according to what is needed.

JOHN COX: The thrust levers themselves, the throttles, don't move. Unlike some other airplanes, where you can feel the throttle in your hand moving, with Airbus aircraft, that throttle doesn't move with auto-thrust engaged, so you have to look at specific engine power indications.

When the auto-pilot shut off, it didn't reset the throttle amount to the position, it stayed where the setting had been by autothrust.

NARRATOR: The power indication is displayed here, on the central control panel. But if auto-thrust switches off while the engines are in low power, the crew might lose track of the low thrust level.

JOHN COX: If you're very task-saturated, your concentration's going to be directly in front of you. What's the power output of the engines? You're going to have to physically turn your attention and look to the center console area..

This is not going to be done as frequently as looking at, at the things right in front of you. It, it's certainly going to be in the scan; the question is, "How often?".

NARRATOR: The aircraft is now nearer the lower end of its safe speed range. But overloaded by fault warnings, the crew might not realize they need to increase power..

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 1) 132

That's not how I understand it, based on the translation of the cockpit recording. The captain was allowed to take a break whenever he wanted and unfortunately he chose the time right before the plane entered a storm that led to the air speed tubes freezing over. I wouldn't call it "scheduled" as that sort of implies something like "At exactly 3 hours into the flight the captain will take a break" when the timing of the break was up to him.

By scheduled I meant that all pilots are required to take a break during these long flights which explains why he was not in the cabin when the initial alarms went off. He returned to the cabin after a few minutes of the initial alarm.

In fact, many were shocked at how early he took his break as usually the captain takes a break much later in the flight. But they didn't know for a while that he was apparently flying on only 1 hour of sleep as he had sleeping problems in his hotel, so that must have made him want to take his break early.

The point isn't that when he took his break or how far into the flight or for what reasons. Before he took the break, everything seemed under control so he took his break.

The cockpit recording seems to indicate the senior co-pilot not helping as much as you might think. He did help some, but it seemed clear that he kept deferring in judgement to the guy flying the plane, which was a fatal mistake in hindsight.

In my recollection about procedure, it is the right-side pilot that flies while the left-side deals with other factors during an emergency like this. The left-side pilot was trying to figure out the alarms and what to do about them so that both pilots are not doing the same things.

Some aviation experts are speculating that the rapid expansion of budget airlines in Asia has led to training shortages and if this ends up being a similar accident to AF447 where an improperly trained pilot inadvertently puts the plane into a stall, all I can say is that this wasn't supposed to happen again. After AF447 the airlines were supposed to train specifically to prevent that kind of thing from happening again

One of the problems identified was that the crew did not follow proper procedures and ignored stall warnings as they assumed they could not trust that warning over the other alarms.

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 2) 132

It's interesting... most of the expert opinions I have heard say that the asynchronous nature of Airbus sidesticks was *not* to blame, and that the crash would not have happened if the pilots were properly communicating as per Cockpit Resource Management protocol.

There's blame and there are contributing factors. Accidents like these are normally a series of failures that leads to the accident.

However, when you consider that the crash happened basically because a very junior pilot was pulling the stick back *the entire time* and the senior pilot did not realize this,

In the Airbus, it is not a flight stick. It is a joystick. If I remember correctly this picture demonstrates the configuration of the joystick. If I remember correctly the flying pilot was in the right-side seat so it was not evident to the other pilot what he doing with the controls. Second, the other pilot isn't having scones and coffee while all of this is happening. The other pilot was dealing with a plethora of warnings and failures and trying to diagnose them all. Communication did break down.

From the transcript Around 2 hr 12 min 32 sec:
Left side pilot: "so go down "
Captain: "No you climb there "
Captain: "You’re climbing"
Right side pilot: "I’m climbing okay so we’re going down"
2 hr 13 min 40 sec
Right side pilot: "But I’ve been at maxi nose-up for a while"
Captain: "no no no don’t climb"
Left side pilot: "so go down "

From my interpretation, it appears the left is telling the right to dive and the captain is simply alerting the right that he is climbing. The right has misunderstood and is still pulling not pushing. In the second set, the left and captain realize that the right has been pulling the entire time. But it's too late.

Comment Re:Pilot Proof Airbus? (Score 5, Informative) 132

Well in the case of Air France 447, an additional factor was that the least experienced pilot was in control of the aircraft at the time. Another factor was the joystick control was not visible to the other pilot and the throttle position is not indicative of actual throttle amount (electronic controls). The more experienced pilot was trying to deal with the all the computer failures and assumed that the flying pilot was diving when he was trying to climb. It wasn't until the captain got back into the cockpit (he was on a scheduled sleep break) that the senior pilots realized the plane was trying to climb. They tried to get the plane to dive but it appears the plane stalled and crashed into the ocean before they could do that.

Comment Re:No group "owns" any day on the calendar. (Score 2) 681

I find that some (not all) Christians create the false dichotomy that they fight against. Telling people that an important person other than Jesus was born on Dec 25 is not a defamation against Christianity. But they have to make it so. Just like saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is not the same as burning down a nativity scene and pissing on the baby Jesus.

Comment Re:Wait, what? (Score 1) 161

Obviously, since those two terms are exactly the same, but this did not circumvent DRM. Perhaps you need to explain what you think that term means because all of the digital rights management was preserved, not circumvented.

I don't think you know what ,a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management">DRM means.

Digital Rights Management (DRM) is a class of technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale; there are, however, many competing definitions. With first-generation DRM software, the intent is to control copying; with second-generation DRM, the intent is to control executing, viewing, copying, printing, and altering of works or devices. The term is also sometimes referred to as copy protection, copy prevention, and copy control, although the correctness of apply DRM is in dispute.

How can DRM be preserved if the there was loss of control?

Oh right yes and if you dont like Microsoft having proprietary APIs in Windows you should just build your own operating system. It is the same anti-competitive behavior and the same dirty tactics, but they may be able to get away with it if they can prove they didnt have market power.

Now it is not. You are aware that everyone including MS did exactly as Apple did; build their own system. And how many different OS did Dell sell on their PCs? Only Windows. Apple to oranges. Having market power != monopoly.

It makes perfect sense to any person but an Apple apologist! The formats were fine, it was Apple's DRM layer that was the problem. Real allowed users to play music and maintained the DRM required by the publishers, Apple just didn't like that there was another competitor.

The standard for music still is MP3 and AAC, not Harmony, not FairPlay. Apple does not have to support another company's DRM. In cars there are standards for oil; although some cars and models use specialized blends. If Ford accepts 5W30 and their own blend for their cars, your point is that Ford must also accept GM's blend. That is ludicrous.

Wrong, there is no "standard" but Apple controlled the digital music market with iTunes+iPod so whatever they used was the defacto standard and they prevented any other companies from inter-operating. This is anti-competitive.

Assertion without fact or evidence. The vast majority of music was MP3. Even now most players default to this although AAC is starting to become more accepted. The fact that you could put any MP3 or AAC song onto an Apple device and play it defeats your silly anti-competitive argument.

Comment Re:Wasn't there a book about this? (Score 1) 138

Teeth or Beaks are binary in nature, we don't see any creatures with both. Your rant about binary nature is flawed, because while nature isn't binary, sometimes the results are.

You are aware that chicks have teeth right? It's how they break out of their eggs. They lose their tooth quickly after being hatched but they do have teeth for a short period. As for them not having teeth generally, this evidence shows they lost their teeth over millions and millions of years. I'm not sure where you get the idea of "temporary."

As for rants, keep stating that A must become B. That's not nature. A can still remain as A while a population of A becomes C. That's how most species evolve. You never did answer the question: Are whales half fish? Aren't they AB in your book? What about dogs? They are subspecies of wolves yet you never seen a wolf the size of a chihuahua. Yet dogs and wolves can still mate. This doesn't even encompass the many transitional forms found in fossils.

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