Sir, I think you need to step back and take a breath.

Since we haven't exchanged a single word until now, I don't see how I'm being argumentative. I'm asking a simple question.

I would hope any man or anyone would stop it should it be happening in front of them. If I happened to be in a bar (I don't drink so it's unlikely) and saw someone pour a strange chemical into a drink, I hope I would say something.

Depending on the circumstances, I would most likely help a person. But I am also quite wary of scams, having been the victim of a couple (which I escaped with only a loss of money) perpetrated by women.

Certainly I personally am not going to drug a woman's drink.

But I'm already doing this. And I'm reasonably sure a majority of guys are doing this. It sounds like you want us to do something about the guys who are doing this. I'm with you, brother because just you and me and the rest of the guys who aren't doing it, doesn't appear to be fixing the problem since we're still discussing this and there are still rapes.

Is there something more we should or even could be doing? It's an honest question. Should we all wear buttons that say "Don't Rape Other People"?

[John]

As someone who doesn't drink, I've always thought of bars as places to pick up single women or be picked up if you are a woman. A woman is there, dressed up, and presenting herself as available for dating. And guys are there to look for dates. Women bring other women for support or protection. Guys come with other guys to give him the courage to approach a woman. I've never considered it a social gathering place.

That's what I get for not drinking and getting all my information from movies and TV I guess.

Carl

And again I'd like to know how you want to proceed with this. Tell every person we meet "don't rape"? Just tell our friends "don't rape"? How do you propose to enforce zero-tolerance proactively?

[John]

But the police don't prevent rape. They apprehend rapists after the offense. Rape can be pretty traumatic and in some cases is life changing. This needs to be addressed before the Rape happens.

The proposal doesn't seem to be about arresting the perpetrators but in making sure guys don't act when situations arise (so to speak).

And of course, arrests after the fact should already be happening.

[John]

Fine suggestion there. What do you propose for policing our own?

[John]

Seriously? Never heard of the Duke Lacrosse Team that was falsely accused of rape?

[John]

57, and yes. :)

[John]

Crime show cop so take the question with a grain of salt.

Since you needed the Google tip to get the warrant, if they can't prove it was or wasn't planted, couldn't that kill the chain causing whatever they found on his computer/tablet to be inadmissible?

[John]

[Les Nessman] oooOOooo, there's an idea.

[John]

It's why I whipped up a set of web pages to handle combat of all types. The originals are a hack. I need to update them for 5th.

[John]

Just for me personally, no. I don't drink coffee or alcohol.

[John]

I guess the Mormons were on to something.

[John]

Citation Please.

[John]

Yea, I closed my account with linked in. Far too much noise and very very little signal.

[John]

There are two songs.

Track 3. "West Bound And Down"

and

Track 10. "East Bound And Down"

[John]