the environmental cost of refining gas in the US versus canada is nominal.

You're foaming at the mouth, your eyes are blood shot, and you're raving.

I await the time when there is a treatment for your disorder.

If they weren't any good you wouldn't want to steal them.

Everything is an exploitation.

There is no solution.

All you will EVER get is an exploitation.

The goal is to have an optimal exploitation that has the most reasonable cost benefit curve.

Fuck with the energy supply and you make it more profitable to supply it.

You're not helping anyone. You're just hurting people. You're not even helping the environment which is to say the interests of non-people.

Some people just want to be slaves.

I'm good with it... they can give up their freedoms if that's what they want. But don't give up mine in the process. Lose everything... be a drone. Just don't presume to make me one too.

Irrelevant... the oil will flow. You're not stopping anything.

All you're doing is annoying people and driving up the cost of oil.

Nothing more.

we have a hydrogen filling station in my neighborhood... no one ever uses it...

I'm all for green energy... but it won't be worth anything until we get batteries worth a damn or a replacement for batteries that are worth a damn.

That day is not today.

And yet that is exactly what happened.

So what you're saying is that my predictions are impressively accurate.

Thank you.

What the hell... WHY?

I used to live in Portland for about three years and regularly drank the tap water The idea that I was drinking water straight from an open-air reservoir post-treatment nauseates me. Why would anyone want this?

Only if you're corrupt.

If you have principles then you won't move on the issues that matter.

What troubles you is that the silicon valley people haven't chosen a political side yet. They could go one way or the other.

Well, your own damn fault for fucking with them in the first place. Washington DC started shaking silicon valley down for campaign donations. They did it by fucking with their industry and then saying "well if you want us to do something differently you can lobby us... and by the way lobbying means giving us money."

Its a game. And Silicon valley has enough money to play it.

So now you're upset that they're expecting something for the money the politicians extorted from them?

Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river.

Tech companies stayed out of politics for years. They were conspicuous for it.

DC hated that... so they poked them until they started paying. Now they are... just like everyone else... and just like everyone else they expect their money's worth.

Want it to stop? Stop fucking with people.

Actually, it is unfettered politicial power that is turning the US into an oligarchy.

Its the corrupt congressmen and senators and presidents.

Your president for example that won't allow investigation of anything isn't helping.

Fast and Furious... Benghazi... Various banking scandals... the IRS going after political enemies... the FBI going after journalists that investigate the white house...

That is your problem. But you won't touch him because he's a democrat. The press won't touch him. He gets a free pass to do things Nixon wouldn't have dreamed of and you won't lift a finger.

There are other pipelines and other ways to move the oil... by truck and train amongst others. You're not stopping anything.

You're merely making something less convenient, forcing people to use technology more likely to produce leaks, oh... and you're pissing people off.

Net effect on the environment from your resistance?... Negative. Net economic effect? Negative. Net political effect? Negative.

Negative Negative Negative.

So where is the benefit of opposing it?

Its good for democrats... it rabble rouses their environmental wing. It has no other utility.

So you'd agree that unions shouldn't be able to make political donations....

the individual members, fine... but the union should not be able to make donations on behalf of the members.

Because if you allow that, then the corps must be allowed to respond in kind.

Cut the unions off and you'll find that my side of the isle will be okay with shutting the corps off.

Grasp that it is a balance of powers. The corps are our answer to the union money. Most of us find both the unions and the corps to be bad. But we see the corps as a necessary evil to counter the union money.

We have been making steps over the years to restrict union giving just as you have made efforts to restrict corp giving.

Lets meet in the middle and ban both.

*offers hand*

So... you're saying we should be paying 10 percent of what we're currently paying for gas?

So... 40 cents a gallon if we're paying 4 dollars today?

There's no way you can say our currency has been inflated that much since 1999. There is no way to justify those numbers.

Ah, here we are then.

Tell me... who is allowed to donate money to politics and who is not? I ask because I suspect there is some revenue source near and dear to your political faction that must be exempted from your rule.

I've seen this too many time to not be cynical about it. Every faction says the other's revenue sources are wrong but its are fine.

Its pretty much uniform self serving horseshit.

The courts have already said its all legal under the first amendment. You don't like it... then lets talk about applying your rule to every donation from every source.

Big unions for example... you want to cut that money off?

Attacking the pipeline does nothing to protect the oceans.

The rest of your post is largely meaningless buzzword ladin white noise.