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Comment Re:In "believe anything written down" land (Score 1) 1027

I'm not arguing that you shouldn't point out this. If I am, I got carried away and I apologize. But I have read too many comments in just this thread that treat people of faith as morons, and I find that wrong, too. Faith and belief have managed to inspire men to great things, as well as to atrocities, and I like to remember the great things, since I have to suffer knowing about the atrocities.

About the last point, I misread your post. Sorry.

Comment Re:In "believe anything written down" land (Score 1) 1027

There are all kinds of idiots. Those who read the whole bible as literal truth (or the ones that assume that Jesus was a caucasian who rocked a wild blond hair and beard) are not that different from the ones who read The Da Vinci Code as if it was the Gospel (oops).

Rather than trying to 'disprove' a book the truth of which even the Pope points out is more allegorical than literal, I'd say the problem is with the people who read it literally. You could make a similar argument about guns:
"Guns have been killing people in the past. Guns are killing people right now. Therefore, the best thing to do is ban them".

I love it, guns are the new Hitler :) I'm only missing a car analogy here.

If there were no rational counterbalance to the Bible, how would you tell the difference? Are you advocating that everyone should accept or believe only what they themselves can prove? That way lies madness, too. I've talked to people who believe that gravity exists but evolution doesn't exactly because of this.

Comment Re:In "believe anything written down" land (Score 1) 1027

That would be insightful, except for the fact that treating a collection of books written by many different authors, encompassing centuries between the first and the last, treating a vast array of topics (psalms, proverbs, hystorical accounts, laws, legends, erotic poetry, biographies, moral diatribes, acid trips, etc), is a fucking idiotic thing to do.

I always get a chuckle out of people who manage to 'disprove or refute the bible'. So you refuted a collection of books? What's next, you'll disprove the Encyclopaedia Britannica?

Comment Re:I am not surprised. (Score 1) 1027

You have a deeply skewed view of what a religious person actually believes in today. Try talking to someone, see what they really think, instead of chewing on preconceived notions. You might find that many of them turn to religion as a help to mitigate the discomfort of this world, to find peace, and perhaps to get together with like-minded people who want to help others in need. True, there are other solutions (I myself am faithless), but dismissing them as crazy is just as silly as you think they are.

That said, America does have more than its fair share of religious nuts. I once read that the proliferation of different churches was partly due to the American sense of freedom and individuality that encourages everyone to think for themselves. True, you get a lot of crud, but that's because a lot of everything is crud.

Comment Re:I am not surprised. (Score 1) 1027

While overgeneralising, tarring many good people with the same brush as some fanatics, and defining perfectly reasonable people as stupid, is completely reasonable. I'm as atheist as they come, but I do understand that many people are moved to faith while being able to keep a rational mind for practical purposes. Perhaps you should get your head out of the sand and try understanding why people go to church. Hint: it's generally not to plot the deaths of homos with the help of the creepy father figure in the sky.

The church (any church) has many things to answer for, true.

Comment Re:I am not surprised. (Score 2, Informative) 1027

You have no idea what religion actually is. You are tarring every people of a faith with the wacko brush. My wife is a religious catholic biochemist, involved in nervous system basic research. She doesn't doublethink. What you are confused about is that she doesn't treat the bible as a literal history, but as a book to be inspired by. She looks for love and comfort in Jesus, not astronomy. Why can you read a sci-fi history and enjoy its message, but she can't read her book and do the same?

Comment Re:Social security number (Score 1) 166

I think the AC meant that in other countries it's just the same. Argentina and Chile, just to give examples I'm acquainted with, require photographic ID and fingerprints for many things. In Argentina, you have to give your ID number to travel to other regions, in Chile, a quick fingerprint is used to legalize contracts. Neither country has yet descended into orwellian conditions because of this (we have descended into orwellian conditions for many other reasons. You could point out that it's all part of a whole.)

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