I really don't understand people's hang up with the fee. Certs are cheap as hell. I understand they don't really do that much to verify any one's identity, but its so freaking cheap.

How much abuse is there with fake certificates being issued? I've only heard about a couple of cases. Its better than nothing, and certainly worth the small amount of money.

“All major browsers will alert users of a site using an expired certificate, and of the 107k affected, only 30k were not expired, and so would no longer be trusted by Mozilla as a result of their recent change,”

So not 107K, only 30k. And that's not a real issue. The browsers are correct, the connection isn't secure at 1024. People can complain as much as they want, trust is not something that is eternally granted without condition.

Exactly. SystemD is more than just init, but not all of it is in PID 1. The whole desktop thing is just crazy. Its pretty clear thats as accurate as crazy tea partiers who think Obama is a Muslim. No rigor, no research, no thought from those people.

Now there may be some very legitimate complains about systemd. However, they get drowned out by the BS. It would also help if someone who doesn't like SystemD to actually work on an alternative Services management system that solved some of the same problems that systemD does.

Ah, the old, If this secret would be revlealed then the populace would rise up, idea.

Of course most people won't care. I don't. I know what they are doing and why. I wouldn't do things exactly as they are, but I'm not that upset over what they are doing to activley try and change anything.

Wow.

Uhm, Ubuntu also did Unity, Upstart and Mir. All home grown NIH projects.

If you accuse her of doing it, you still look terrible by claiming that abuse doesn't exist. It does. I don't think anyone wins, here.

Except those that honestly acknowledge problems and resolve to make things better using the resources at their disposal.

No, he's not asking if you stopped beating your wife. He's asking you" why do you beat your wife? " While the question presupposes guilt ( entirely justified in this case as the first few comments are proof), it does not force you into a situation where any valid reply forces your admission to the presupposed crime.

Some people just don't understand language. /pet peeve

Well, the power consumption of various processor architectures are a *bit* more complicated than RISC vs CISC which is the point of this story.

Agreed on all points. I especially feel good supporting RedHat as it really does help drive the Gnu/Linux Ecosystem forward. Ubuntu has tried doing the same, but when it does there are always stings attached or development is behind closed doors.

Here's the bonkers thing: Systemd can do more *without* scripts than SysV can do *with* scripts.

Oh, now I understand why you hated my posts. You yourself rely on "systemd is not unix, therefore bad". Oh, well, then sorry for killing your sacred cow. Steak sandwiches anyone?

I'm trying to make sure that the real issues are discussed. Nothing more.

An honest conversation about it would list those issues, rather than just stopping at KISS. Its like a one word answer to an question meant to spark a conversation. That's the annoying part about systemd discussions.

You're interpretation of what is Simple, is. Simple is a piece of paper or an abacus. That's simple. Has you abacus ever crashed on you? QED.

Life is full of trade offs. Admitting that when discussing a complex engineering decision is a prerequisite.