Ah, the old, If this secret would be revlealed then the populace would rise up, idea.

Of course most people won't care. I don't. I know what they are doing and why. I wouldn't do things exactly as they are, but I'm not that upset over what they are doing to activley try and change anything.

Wow.

Uhm, Ubuntu also did Unity, Upstart and Mir. All home grown NIH projects.

If you accuse her of doing it, you still look terrible by claiming that abuse doesn't exist. It does. I don't think anyone wins, here.

Except those that honestly acknowledge problems and resolve to make things better using the resources at their disposal.

No, he's not asking if you stopped beating your wife. He's asking you" why do you beat your wife? " While the question presupposes guilt ( entirely justified in this case as the first few comments are proof), it does not force you into a situation where any valid reply forces your admission to the presupposed crime.

Some people just don't understand language. /pet peeve

Well, the power consumption of various processor architectures are a *bit* more complicated than RISC vs CISC which is the point of this story.

Agreed on all points. I especially feel good supporting RedHat as it really does help drive the Gnu/Linux Ecosystem forward. Ubuntu has tried doing the same, but when it does there are always stings attached or development is behind closed doors.

Here's the bonkers thing: Systemd can do more *without* scripts than SysV can do *with* scripts.

Oh, now I understand why you hated my posts. You yourself rely on "systemd is not unix, therefore bad". Oh, well, then sorry for killing your sacred cow. Steak sandwiches anyone?

I'm trying to make sure that the real issues are discussed. Nothing more.

An honest conversation about it would list those issues, rather than just stopping at KISS. Its like a one word answer to an question meant to spark a conversation. That's the annoying part about systemd discussions.

You're interpretation of what is Simple, is. Simple is a piece of paper or an abacus. That's simple. Has you abacus ever crashed on you? QED.

Life is full of trade offs. Admitting that when discussing a complex engineering decision is a prerequisite.

Yeah, stupid me. Injecting X11 contraversies into one already about systemd.

While, I'm at it Vim users are smarter than everyone, and obviously I'll take Joel* as the superior host over Mike (good writer, sucky performer).

*Seriously watch the getting coffee in cars with comedians episode with him in it. Hilarious. He out does Seinfied.

D'oh. I meant X as in an unknown thing that is universally disliked by the intended audience, not the display server protocol.

But no, systemd was never about just booting faster. Its always been about managing services better. They looked at upstart and decided they couldn't modify it, due to the Ubuntu copyright assignment, and decided to address some existing problems it had in managing services. It should be noted that upstart also starts machines pretty fast.

Wow, that really makes systemd detractors seem like lazy people with no interest in advancing their knowledge or skill set.

I don't think that's the case at all. I think, for a lot of people, they don't have the challanges that systemd solves.

Also, it challanges a lot of sacred cows that people hold dear to them. You see kind of a religeous attachment to certain ideas, that is tough to give up, even when presented with a system that provides a different model of working. Then you get this whole game of analogy making. Everyone hates X, so lets compare this thing I don't like to X. Even thought its obviously very different from X.