heh. When cops start using it, then I will consider it.

Compared to Windows. All comparisons to product security are inherently compared to the most commonly used piece of software in the world, MS Windows. Microsoft in recent years has created a strong security culture, deploying patches rapidly and in a consistent manner.

Adobe, their collective soul to the devil, has not done this, despite being on many many platforms. A few years ago when the US DoHS went after Java for being having awful security, the one they should have been targeting was Adobe. Both Flash and Reader are awful and I strongly regret being forced to use them.

Yup. Both groups are discriminated against. So are blacks and Catholics.

Bigot. There's no difference between silly groups that choose to follow some religious laws and not others. Your anti-Catholic prejudice is showing.

Before you speak too loudly, please recall that we've had exactly as many Catholic presidents as black presidents. This despite the fact that Catholics make up 40% of the US population.

There's been a lot of time and effort that marketing and legal departments have put in on this. The IT side would be expensive, but I keep hearing from my CFO about the post-Target world.

Yeah, he sounds like a moron. Nothing changed with the Target breach except for his recognition that this computer stuff can be serious. There are a lot of people like that and they took notice of the Heartbleed vulnerability.

$300? OK. I'll take all you have to offer at $300. Feel free to sell me Fort Knox, that's OK. I'll take it.

I never noticed it, at least not in the ranges as described. Sometimes the clay can bounce a bit, but even that is rather marginal if you are shooting correctly.

Shotgun pattern distribution is governed by several factors, including shot quality / material, wad design, barrel design, hull design, forcing cone length / shape, but most especially choke. Steel shot will rip up some chokes. Chokes can creep (particularly on a hot Illinois day). Wadding can foul a barrel.

I wonder if these were controlled for.

How about on a sailing ship then? And instead of 3 men and 3 women, make it 35 men. And let's not touch land for three years, as some of the old whalers did. And let's make sure that everyone knows there is a minimum of a 20% mortality starting off. And let's enforce discipline with a rope's end.

Humanity has been there and done that.

It was, before the ADA required banks to replace any ATM that could not handle audio integration. That was about 2-3 years ago. OS/2 typically could not handle the hardware upgrade necessary for the required audio. The banking industry paid millions, maybe billions, to upgrade tens of thousands of ATMs. Diebold, NCR and Hyosung made out like bandits.

What about Johnstown, when a dam built by a railroad company collapsed, killing well over 2000 people. Yes, at the time the dam belonged to a club run by industrialists as a hunting and fishing preserve, but it was still an industrial accident.

Great. A new version of Java. Many of my vendors do not support 7u51. Now we got 8. When I hear someone propose a Java solution, I reach for my firewall.

Most people on this thread understand that a cheap Boeing 737 costs about 60 million USD. For $100,000, knowing that an jetliner could not be lost, that is a sum the public may demand that the airlines pay. That is to say, for about 1/10 of 1% of the cost of a very cheap jetliner, this sort of massive charlie foxtrot would likely not take place again.

Further, there is a long tradition of government interference being required in the transportation industry to force changes that benefit overall public safety. Railroad history is rife with them, including entire political parties (The Grange) put together in an effort to boost regulation of a necessary industry. If the government is going to give away airports and airspace, allow jetliners to dump pollutants into the air, and provide gaterape security, then it is not unreasonable to ask airline companies to pony up 1/10th of 1% of the cost of an airplane to improve security.