If you want to follow international law, Israel has to return to the 1967 borders. If they don't return to the 1967 borders, they're not following international law.
I support international law. If you don't support international law, don't complain when the other side commits massacres (like the ones the Israelis are committing on the Palestinians, even in the West Bank).
You asked me where they said that. Their charter said they would eradicate Palestine, and they revised it.
Hamas also revised their Charter. Hamas is also open to accepting Israel and having peace with Israel, if you listen to what their spokesmen say. Israel has also assassinated Hamas leaders, like Ahmed Jabari, head of Hamas's military wing, who were preparing peace overtures.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11...
Op-Ed Contributor
Israel’s Shortsighted Assassination
By GERSHON BASKIN
Published: November 16, 2012
Passing messages between the two sides, I was able to learn firsthand that Mr. Jabari wasn’t just interested in a long-term cease-fire; he was also the person responsible for enforcing previous cease-fire understandings brokered by the Egyptian intelligence agency. Mr. Jabari enforced those cease-fires only after confirming that Israel was prepared to stop its attacks on Gaza. On the morning that he was killed, Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance. This draft was agreed upon by me and Hamas’s deputy foreign minister, Mr. Hamad, when we met last week in Egypt.
Gershon Baskin is a co-chairman of the Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information, a columnist for The Jerusalem Post and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the release of Gilad Shalit.
I am not the only one who see Arima Hass as biased.
Andrea Levin, executive director of the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting said the newspaper was doing "damage to the truth" and sometimes making serious factual errors but not often correcting them. Earlier, in 2001, Levin criticized Haaretz correspondent Amira Hass for inaccurate reporting and said that Haaretz is fueling anti-Israel bias.
CAMERA believes that anyone who doesn't follow their right-wing party line is biased and anti-Israel, even Zionists like Hass and Levy who have spent their lives in Israel. The people who work for CAMERA, like Levin, have never worked as journalists, and they have no idea of what it's like to be out in the field eyewitnessing events, and getting both sides, as Hass and Levy do.
Amira Hass lives in the territories and sees what happens with her own eyes. Andrea Levin sits on her ass in Boston and says that Hass is lying. Who do you take seriously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Commenting on the incident, Gershom Gorenberg, of the liberal magazine The American Prospect, stated "CAMERA is ready to exempt itself from the demands for accuracy that it aims at the media. And like others engaged in the narrative wars, it does not understand the difference between advocacy and accuracy."
Where in recent history has Israel stated their desire to eradicate Palestine?
In the Likud Charter, among other places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
What is your solution? Should Israel just sit by while rockets are launched from the Gaza Strip?
They could have accepted (with negotiations) any of several peace offers, such as the Arab Peace Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , or the offers of help from the South Africans like Bishop Tutu.
They refused, and the sticking point was the settlements. If you look at a map of Israel and the West Bank, with the settlements on them, you'll see why that's so unacceptable to the Palestinians. One of the Israeli negotiators said that he would not have accepted that deal if he was a Palestinian. The settlement Ariel is right in the middle of the narrowest part of the west bank, and cuts it in half.
It's understandable that the Israeli government wouldn't give up the settlements, given the political power of the settlers in Israel (and in the US), but they're clearly illegal under the Geneva Conventions. That was the opinion of Theodor Meron, Israel's own chief legal counsel in 1967, but Levi Eshkol went ahead and settled the west bank anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... In order to prevent Israel from ever giving up the settlements, the settlers created more settlements, many of which were illegal even under Israeli law, in order to create "facts on the ground" (i.e.,if enough people break the law, the government won't be able to stop them). So when you let the settlers stay there, you're rewarding their illegal behavior and violence.
Israel's right and their supporters always claim that the Palestinians "Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity," but actually the Israelis have constantly been rejecting opportunities to make peace.
Care to back that up with any references to recent statement about Israel not recognizing Palestine's right to exist? Here is evidence counter to that argument.
Oh, 5 years ago. I was wondering where you got that from. Yes, Bibi said he would accept the Palestinian state, subject to a long list of unacceptable conditions -- such as continuing to expand the settlements. Since that time, Palestine applied to the United Nations and the Israelis (through the US) prevented the UN from considering it.
The Guardian, Sunday 14 June 2009 16.22 EDT
The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, last night said for the first time he would accept an independent Palestinian state, but only on condition it was demilitarised and that the Palestinians recognised Israel as the state of the Jewish people.
In a key policy speech intended to address growing US pressure for a move towards peace in the Middle East, Netanyahu defended Israel's position and said he wanted to make peace, but despite his mention of a Palestinian state he offered few substantial concessions.
He praised the Jewish settlers who live in east Jerusalem and on the occupied West Bank and refused US calls for a halt to all settlement growth. He also said Palestinian refugees, who were forced out or fled from their homes during the 1948 war, would not be allowed to return to what is today Israel. Jerusalem, he said, must remain united under Israeli control.
I'm not morally judging actions, I'm legally judging actions. Hamas is deliberately and systematically committing war crimes as defined by international law.
Great, you want to judge both sides impartially by international law, let's judge them by international law.
1. Settlements beyond the 1967 borders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Legal opinion on settlements in the occupied territories
In the late 1960s, Meron was legal counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry and wrote a secret 1967 memo[17] [18] [19] for Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, who was considering creating an Israeli settlement at Kfar Etzion. This was just after Israel's victory in the Six-Day War of June 1967. Meron's memo concluded that creating new settlements in the Occupied Territories would be a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Eshkol went ahead to create the settlement anyway, and therefore set the conditions which began the Movement for Greater Israel and Israel's settlement enterprise.
2. Killing non-combatants
From the Goldstone Report:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/...
773. At about 12.50 p.m., Khalid Abd Rabbo, his wife Kawthar, their three daughters, Souad (aged 9), Samar (aged 5) and Amal (aged 3), and his mother, Hajja Souad Abd Rabbo, stepped out of the house, all of them carrying white flags. Less than 10 metres from the door was a tank, turned towards their house. Two soldiers were sitting on top of it having a snack (one was eating chips, the other chocolate, according to one of the witnesses). The family stood still, waiting for orders from the soldiers as to what they should do, but none was given. Without warning, a third soldier emerged from inside the tank and started shooting at the three girls and then also at their grandmother. Several bullets hit Souad in the chest, Amal in the stomach and Samar in the back. Hajja Souad was hit in the lower back and in the left arm.
[The IDF refused to let an ambulance bring them to the hospital, so they walked. Amal and Souad died. Samar had a spinal injury and was left paraplegic for life. The Israeli government never investigated this event or prosecuted the soldier responsible.]
After the first Gaza war, Israeli government lawyers warned top officials not to travel in certain parts of Europe, because they might be arrested for violating the Geneva Conventions. A lot of them were shooting their mouths off with customary Israeli arrogance about "making them suffer" because they had elected Hamas, and using "overwhelming force".
If Israel is not willing to do the above, then don't complain when Hamas have to improvise just to have a fighting chance of defending themselves.
Two points: First, their improvisations are war crimes; second, Hamas are the aggressor. This is not particularly complicated.
Israel blockaded Gaza right after Hamas won the elections. A blockade is an act of war. It's an attack. Hamas is fighting back against Israel's attacks in one of the few, inadequate ways open to them. If you don't like it, stop the blockade.
The Nazis blockaded the Warsaw Ghetto. The ghetto militants also fought back with futile measures.
The Nazis said that for every German soldier murdered, they would kill 20 Jews. I read Ringelblum's Warsaw Ghetto diaries. The similarity to Gaza is striking.
How about the following;
1. Recognize Israel's right to exist
Obviously the most important one is the first one. There can be no peace when one side is still trying to destroy the other.
Well, since Israel doesn't recognize Palestine's right to exist, and is trying to destroy Hamas, there can be no peace as long as we continue to support Israel with its current policies.
I guess since I used to raise money for Israeli medical research and investments in Israeli industry, that would qualify me as an anti-Semite.
But let's look at what the real anti-Semites are saying -- the Jews who actually live there:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/di...
Reaping what we have sown in Gaza
Those who turned Gaza into an internment camp for 1.8 million people should not be surprised when they tunnel underneath the earth.
By Amira Hass
Jul. 21, 2014
A book on Israeli military psychology should have an entire chapter devoted to this sadism, sanctimoniously disguising itself as mercy: A recorded message demanding hundreds of thousands of people leave their already targeted homes, for another place, equally dangerous, 10 kilometers away.
In contrast to the common Israeli hasbara, Hamas isn’t forcing Gazans to remain in their homes, or to leave. It’s their decision. Where would they go?
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion...
What does Hamas really want?
Read the list of conditions published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them.
By Gideon Levy
Jul. 20, 2014
we should stop for a moment and listen to Hamas; we may even be permitted to put ourselves in its shoes, perhaps even to appreciate the daring and resilience of this, our bitter enemy, under harsh conditions.
Read the list of demands and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them: withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence; release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested; an end to the siege and opening of the crossings; opening of a port and airport under UN management; expansion of the fishing zone; international supervision of the Rafah crossing; an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and closure of Gaza’s air space to Israeli aircraft; permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque; and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government; opening Gaza’s industrial zone.
These conditions are civilian; the means of achieving them are military, violent and criminal. But the (bitter) truth is that when Gaza is not firing rockets at Israel, nobody cares about it. Look at the fate of the Palestinian leader who had had enough of violence. Israel did everything it could to destroy Mahmoud Abbas. The depressing conclusion? Only force works.
True, after Hamas started firing rockets, Israel had to respond. But as opposed to what Israeli propaganda tries to sell, the rockets didn’t fall out of the sky from nowhere. Go back a few months: the breakdown of negotiations by Israel; the war on Hamas in the West Bank following the murder of the three yeshiva students, which it is doubtful Hamas planned, including the false arrest of 500 of its activists; stopping payment of salaries to Hamas workers in Gaza and Israeli opposition to the unity government, which might have brought the organization into the political sphere.
People do get killed by these things.
There are special services that transport people in wheelchairs, but they're expensive (about $50 a trip, with wide variations). They usually have vans, that set up a schedule a day in advance. The elderly and handicapped people who use them could never afford them, and they're subsidized by local governments.
It's nothing like a cab. If you used to travel around freely, and you suddenly became wheelchair-bound, you'd never again have the freedom of being able to spontaneously decide that you want to go to a movie or restaurant that evening.
Nobody has ever developed an affordable wheelchair-accessible taxi service in the free market, to my knowledge.
OTOH, the NYC buses were required by federal law to become wheelchair accessible. It does take some expensive equipment, but now people with wheelchairs travel on the buses (and some trains) all the time.
The free market had its chance, all around the country (and the world). A free-market solution to the problem of handicapped transit didn't appear. It only worked with government regulation.
This isn't about taxis. It's an ideological debate over the free market and government regulation. The free market just can't provide transportation services to the handicapped.
This is one of the fundamental limitations to the free market. If you think back to the ideological justifications for the free market (and I used to read the Wall Street Journal editorial page), they argue that the efficient operators will survive and the inefficient will die, just like in darwinian evolution. That means that the free market can't accommodate inefficient buyers, like the handicapped. It's supposed to work that way. The darwinian struggle is supposed to kill off the weak and the helpless. That's how it gets so efficient.
Let them prove it. Let Uber start a service for the wheelchair-bound handicapped, and let's see if that "premium" service will be affordable. They haven't done it yet and I don't think they can do it. And if they take over taxi service in New York City, that will be the end of wheelchair-accessible taxis.
I went down to Zucotti Square in New York City during the demonstration, and I talked to people.
There were a lot of different people there for a lot of reasons.
The one central idea is that in this country, the people with the top 1% of income, like the Koch brothers, have more influence on the political system than the other 99% combined.
We allow corporate contributions in this country that would be prosecuted as bribery in other developed countries.
College loans are a good example. In most of the other developed countries, college is free, and they even have stipends to pay their expenses (as Linus Torvalds explained).
Up to the 1970s, we had a system of cheap or free college throughout the US. City College in New York City was free. They produced Nobel laureates, and captains of industry like Andrew Grove, who founded Intel. You can read the autobiographies on the Nobel prize web site where they describe how they grew up in poverty and could never have gone to college if CCNY wasn't free. It was a system that worked.
Students did protest the tuition raises. It's not something that they have control over. They protest, and the Koch brothers give the Tea Party candidates millions of dollars to run on platforms of cutting taxes. Unfortunately, amateur organizers can't beat professionals.
I would dare say that Insurance isn't like anything in the "free" market at all. Most of the "chronically unhealthy" people I know, are that way because they have unhealthy habits.
That's a common misconception. I saw a pie chart in the New England Journal of Medicine, which estimates that disease was 1/3 genetic, 1/3 behavioral, and 1/3 environmental.
Behavioral is mostly smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, not wearing seat belts, and obesity.
The doctors who treat these people tell me that "personal responsibility" isn't a useful concept.
When someone with schizophrenia takes an anti-psychotic drug, their weight goes up, sometimes by 100 pounds, and in fact one of the risks of the drugs is diabetes.
You have someone who weighs 180 pounds, who takes an anti-schizophrenic drug, and a year later weighs 280 pounds. Case after case. Did they suddenly lose their "personal responsibility"? Or is there a biological mechanism causing it, which is beyond their control?
Without political power, the students and Occupy are destined to fail.
The paradox is, all they have to do is vote. And convince others to vote, in their own interests.
The biggest industry in the US is the political industry that convinces people to vote against their own interests. Koch et al.
He has not acquired a fortune; the fortune has acquired him. -- Bion
